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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #210 on: March 12, 2011, 11:32:06 AM »
Now there pumping sea water in to cool the reactor, this means its garbage and there not worried about saving it. Also in no sitiuation,  is pouring sea water to cool in the plans period, at any nuke plant and its a last ditch effort to keep it from poping.

They are trying to do anything they can before a bigger problem occurs. 
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #211 on: March 12, 2011, 12:04:25 PM »
CNN iReporter Brent Kooi catches the earth moving and cracking beneath his feet as the quake strikes Japan.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/ireport.kooi.cracked.japan.quake.cnn?hpt=C2

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Stay safe, Rolex-san.

Thank you for the updates.  :salute

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #212 on: March 12, 2011, 03:08:03 PM »
CNN iReporter Brent Kooi catches the earth moving and cracking beneath his feet as the quake strikes Japan.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/ireport.kooi.cracked.japan.quake.cnn?hpt=C2

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That is some absolutely incredible video right there.  Anyone able to explain what is happening?
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #213 on: March 12, 2011, 03:10:30 PM »
plates are moving. more specifically, the pacific plate is slowly being pushed under the other one that japan is on top of. so, when enough tension builds up from them pressing together, it shifts very suddenly, releases the tension and theres the earthquake.

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« Reply #214 on: March 12, 2011, 03:26:38 PM »
plates are moving. more specifically, the pacific plate is slowly being pushed under the other one that japan is on top of. so, when enough tension builds up from them pressing together, it shifts very suddenly, releases the tension and theres the earthquake.

I know how earthquakes happen, I was referring to what was happening in the video linked above my post
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #215 on: March 12, 2011, 03:49:29 PM »
the water is an effect called liquefaction. Look it up in wiki. Either that or a water pipe under there popped open.

ground cracks.. well its the ground being shifted vertically that causes it.

I find it amazing this guy just stands there narrating while the crack makes a sawline around the concrete block he's in. Didn't he ever watch Wiley Coyote go through this very same thing?  :D

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #216 on: March 12, 2011, 03:59:09 PM »
The guy did say he was standing on reclaimed ground.
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« Reply #217 on: March 12, 2011, 04:40:10 PM »
Look at that "Significant earthquakes" chart on that Wikipedia page, 6 of the 9 earthquakes have happen from 2005 to now, seems like a lot of powerful seismic activity lately.

PGA is a localized effect measurement. So there have been more powerful quakes just not so significant in PGA localized to large populations. The Feb quake was <1mile deep and virtually right under the city.

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« Reply #218 on: March 12, 2011, 04:43:23 PM »
Not at all. Nuclear plants AND cars both have benefits and dangers. Think about this:

According to WHO 1 200 000 people die every year to car accidents. Less than 100 die per year average to any accident related to nuclear power plants (including death from falling etc.)

Those 1.2 million had two things in common: They all drove cars and they all used electricity generated by nuclear power. Does that mean that cars are such a risk to environment that they should immediately be banned?


Ahh hyperbole at it's finest. You know there are other methods to generate electricity ;)

Just to fill in the gaps in case you're not following. Not all 1.2 million people killed in car accidents used nuclear generated electricity. In fact quote a significant proportion didn't.

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #219 on: March 12, 2011, 05:22:54 PM »
Yes, the geometry of quakes are different and magnitude isn't the sole indicator of damage. One mile is deep is very shallow. Over 6,000 people died in the Kobe earthquake in Kobe in 1995 and there was no tsunami because it's more inland. Vertical motion is the most dangerous, not horizontal swaying.

It was the tsunamis that caused the deaths and destruction of all of northeast Japan shoreline, not the earthquake. But, the quake packed enough power to move Japan. The entire country moved 8 feet. Think about picking up a country and moving it 8 feet.

I'm about 100 miles south of the most southern area where the tsunami damage starts, but 50 million people in east Japan will be affected for the rest of our lives. Here's how: Those nuclear power plants up north will be offline and there is not enough generation capacity. Most of the trains are not running yet, factories and offices are closed this weekend and so are many businesses throughout eastern Japan.

And yet, there is not enough generating capacity now to provide power to everyone now, when everything is closed. What happens on Monday? Businesses and factories will want to open, people will want to run heaters and have lights (it was snowing in many of the places where the tsunamis hit - it's cold), people living in high rises and working in high rise offices will want to have elevators to take them up 30 floors, instead of climbing stairs.

Starting Monday, we are going to have rolling blackouts. They could last for the rest of my life. Building new generating capacity takes a long time. Our already high energy costs are going to skyrocket, but still not have enough power.

I like electricity.

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #220 on: March 12, 2011, 05:38:54 PM »
Na Rolex don't think so negative
its Time for the Parlament to think about native energy resources like windpower,Solar etc.
This things happen here in germany so fast ,they made alot of fail but I think that the Nippon's will make a better Gemba and will be the Number 1 in Solar and wind energy
2005 9% from Solar and Windpower
2010 44% of my Energy comes from Solar and Windpower ,prizes where going up but I learned to save Energy in the beginn its was not easy but now
when we go sleep only the DSL -Telephone modem 5 watt and the Fridge A++ 78 watt use power Nothing is in Standby
My PC 550 watts is retired I use Note book needs 80 watts

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What Nuclear Catastrophic in Japan?....this is old people know what that is they had 2 of them many yeahrs before without Tsunami but made in USA

I Zoomed the Exploiding of the Nuclear Plant and found this


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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #221 on: March 12, 2011, 06:25:16 PM »
Na Rolex don't think so negative
its Time for the Parlament to think about native energy resources like windpower,Solar etc.
This things happen here in germany so fast ,they made alot of fail but I think that the Nippon's will make a better Gemba and will be the Number 1 in Solar and wind energy
2005 9% from Solar and Windpower
2010 44% of my Energy comes from Solar and Windpower ,prizes where going up but I learned to save Energy in the beginn its was not easy but now
when we go sleep only the DSL -Telephone modem 5 watt and the Fridge A++ 78 watt use power Nothing is in Standby
My PC 550 watts is retired I use Note book needs 80 watts

If you don't have a sense for Black Humor don't read the text Below
What Nuclear Catastrophic in Japan?....this is old people know what that is they had 2 of them many yeahrs before without Tsunami but made in USA

I Zoomed the Exploiding of the Nuclear Plant and found this
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Wind and Solar will not be able to replace the production lost from the nuclear reactors.  If the grid cannot match demand with supply, you get blackouts.  Building a wind far or two will not remedy that at all.  Not until you build enough wind and solar to replace the lost production from the nukes.  That's just not feasible to do to prevent any energy crisis that is going to arise in Japan.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #222 on: March 12, 2011, 06:45:51 PM »
Wind and solar ..that's moronic
nuke power is the only non terrestrial power source on earth - can't be beat by anything in production now. Wind and solar don't compare by even a small percentage of power output

You might as well capture the methane from Godzilla s poo

Good luck over there Rolex..it looks like a disaster big time

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #223 on: March 13, 2011, 01:07:24 AM »
Not at all. Nuclear plants AND cars both have benefits and dangers. Think about this:

According to WHO 1 200 000 people die every year to car accidents. Less than 100 die per year average to any accident related to nuclear power plants (including death from falling etc.)

Those 1.2 million had two things in common: They all drove cars and they all used electricity generated by nuclear power. Does that mean that cars are such a risk to environment that they should immediately be banned?


You die in a car crash. The other people around the crash do not get cancer 40 yrs later from the crash.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #224 on: March 13, 2011, 01:10:58 AM »
The Chernobyl accident was 100% human error.  It was a dangerous design, operated by individuals who should not of been operating the reactor.  Three Mile Island was a good plant operated by under qualified people.  

After these accidents, at least in every country but Russia, nuclear power has been revolutionized from the ground up.  Between government and industry regulation, every effort for safe operation is taken.  Things have changed, you would not believe the amount of government and industry regulation nuke workers have to deal with.  I could not only lose my job, I could spend time in Prison in if I break procedures at a plant.

This was a huge devastating earthquake.  Thousands of people have died, there will be billions if not trillions of dollars of damage.  The effect of this will last for years, probably a hundred of years on a personal level.  

I just do not understand how nuclear power should be demonized because of it.

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It is being demonized because we cant deal with the waste safely and we cant deal with catastrophic events like this one. When the day comes that engineers and those that support nuclear plants are willing to live next to them and their waste, when that day arrives I might support nuclear energy.. NOT!! I dont want them harmed either....
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