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Offline RoGenT

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #360 on: March 16, 2011, 05:27:36 PM »
I forgot to add in the factor of snow out there too as another factor to their already misery..
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« Reply #361 on: March 16, 2011, 05:35:51 PM »
Let us be the first and show the world it can be done without this poisoning stuff
and they will follow for sure! Nuclear Plants are safe until the unthinkable happen,
and what then????
What is the use of injecting nuclear politics back into this thread...
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #362 on: March 16, 2011, 05:41:49 PM »
This is some raw footage of the actual tsunami coming in. Different perspective from the interior of a town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpuLlIrUYsI&NR=1

That footage was very brave of the camara person.
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« Reply #363 on: March 16, 2011, 06:22:13 PM »
This is some raw footage of the actual tsunami coming in. Different perspective from the interior of a town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpuLlIrUYsI&NR=1

That footage was very brave of the camara person.
My gawd its hard to comprihend.

Wow  :confused:  i know that feeling, i sat here watching it happen live on TV and just didnt know what to think, watching everything just vanish left me speechless, I lived in Vader, Washington when Mt Saint Helens blew, we was far enough north to miss any damage but we had lots of ash to clean up, but that compares to what has happened and is happening in Japan, its heart wrenching for those people
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #364 on: March 16, 2011, 08:02:40 PM »
@ warhead, yeah I didn't mean that the plutonium was capable of a nuclear explosion, I was just stating that the plutonium is more dangerous to people. The fuel comes from the salt I and II, and whatever the new reg's are for disposal. I mean it makes sense to utilize the stuff, just a shame though that we can;t figure out how to store the waste. Ofcourse with stuff that has a half life of what 24000 years, I mean jeesh.

Anyway I found this news article intresting.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/16/no_happy_ending_nuclear_experts_say

I try to get my news from other news sources, and compare them before I make a decision. So even though these may be conspiracy sites, don;t judge please, just take all the information you can, and disect it for yourself. Right now, from what I understand that company has had a history of lying to the Japanese Gov't since the 70's, so just remember that our CV battlegroup removed itself from the downwind location because of radiation detection. From what I understand they were 100 miles off the coast. Something doesnt sound right about the minimal risk of leaking.
Anyway again, wish everyone the best through this.
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That is 24,000 years till it is no longer radioactive.  It will only take a few hundred years to be as radioactive as the mountain it should be stored in, or the soil around the mountain.
While nuclear waste is certainly a problem that doesn't go away in a short time, it has far less an impact than the waste and byproducts from coal plants.  Having a safe secure centralized location (Yucca Mountain), will negate the risk we pass down to our later generations.

As far as it being more dangerous to use old weapons for fuel, would you rather a bunch of warheads be floating around the Soviet countryside winding up in God know's who's hands, or be burnt up in nuclear power plants?
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #365 on: March 19, 2011, 10:06:48 AM »
Japan Cites Radiation in Tap Water, Milk, Spinach Near Nuclear Plant

FUKUSHIMA, Japan -- Japan has reported trace amounts of radiation in tap water, spinach and milk in several areas amid concerns about leaks from a damaged nuclear power plant.

A government ministry reported Saturday that small amounts of the iodine was found in tap water in Tokyo and five other prefectures. The ministry says the amounts did not exceed government safety limits but usual tests show no iodine.

Earlier Saturday, Japan reported elevated radiation levels in spinach and milk from farms near its tsunami-crippled nuclear complex, as emergency teams scrambled Saturday to restore power to the plant so it could cool dangerously overheated fuel.......

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/19/japan-cites-radiation-milk-spinach-near-nuclear-plant/



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« Reply #366 on: March 19, 2011, 02:46:15 PM »
"Edano said the amount of radiation detected in the milk would as much as one CT scan if consumed continually for a year while for spinatch it would be a fifth of one CT scan. "
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #367 on: March 19, 2011, 05:21:26 PM »
There are still very serious challenges and problems at the plant.

Large crane pumps, used to pour concrete in high-rise construction are on the way to the site, but they are days away. They can extend directly over the #3 building to keep a flow of water over the SFR pool. The fire trucks will have to keep flooding as best they can until the other trucks get there.

Things are never as simple or easy as the media understands or reports. You don't want too little water, and you don' t want too much, either. As long as they're spraying water, the electrical guys can't hook up the new external power source to the cooling systems.

The pumps stop, then the power guys rush in wearing radioactive suits to work on the power, but they can't linger very long because of the radiation levels.

They couldn't run the external power line (6,900 volts) directly to the area because of debris from the explosions. They had to run it around the side, taking more time. Also, you don't just plug it in like your toaster. The switchgear and motor starters were damaged by the tsunami, so they need to evaluated and test or bypassed with new temporary ones.

Everyone has to rehearse their motions in this dance between teams. They are under a stopwatch, so a mistake can mean overexposure. It may have taken six months to do this during the original construction, and they're trying to do it in days.

Number 5 and #6 are using external power now for cooling and their SFR pool temperatures are going down. They are out of the picture. They hope to have #1 and #2 using external power for cooling today (it's 7am Sunday As I type this), if the systems are not damaged. Numbers 3 and 4 will be last.

Testing has shown some contamination (iodine and cesium - from the fuel rods) of local spinach and milk. The amounts are small, but that's why they test. Now the distribution will be controlled. You would have to eat a large amount of unwashed spinach every day for a year to receive the same dosage as a CT scan. Yes, you can wash it off, so please keep that in mind if the media forget to mention it.

Some trace amounts of iodine and cesium also found in water testing in several areas. Those are expected in this situation. If the safe limit is defined as under 100 goobers, the amount found was 0.8 of a goober. That's a scale I just made up (The Rolex scale). Remember that also in case the reporting doesn't describe it.

All four SFR pool temperatures are under 100C, so there is no boiling. There will still be rapid evaporation, but let's hope they can keep it controlled. There are still extraordinary mountains to climb at the plant.

One of the chiefs of the Tokyo firemen who at the site was holding back tears as he apologized on TV to the families of the men he has had to keep on site. His actions made me think they may be over their exposure limits, but they won't leave.

Lastly, for today, there is a squabble with the French government. They have ordered the members of their small search and rescue team up north to evacuate to an area far away from the plant. Farther than the evacuation area everyone is using. The Japanese said to either go back or get out of Japan, since there are hundreds of thousands of people in the area they left and there is no radiation danger in that area.

That brings me to my last point. It is not political, it is simply my opinion about policy, so I hope Skuzzy will understand that.

I, and many others here, are disappointed in foreign governments telling their citizens that they should ignore what the Japanese government is saying and leave Japan. I consider it to be a disservice to people here who are trying to act with common sense and calm in this situation. Japanese see all these people rush in a panic and it stokes  fear and confusion. Where are they going to evacuate to? Imagine if the tables were turned. I wish the British, French, German, Swiss and US governments (the major culprits) would shut. the. hell. up.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #368 on: March 19, 2011, 05:47:32 PM »
I'm Ashamed for my Generation and my Generation before
No one Learned after Tschernobil,They west Blamed the Communists that they send Soldiers so called Hero's to shut down Tschernobil thousands died.
After Tschernobil they Promised to explore Maschines who go to A nuclear plant and fix it.NO they do they same like the Communist all was lie
they Created Hero's.
I'm a Technical engineer I worked for many Big Companies even US too
I didn't know about Nuclear Plant but now the show in TV how it works,with 2 cooling water systems that need electric pumps? OMG this is suicide and expensive
I use to cool down Big Heat Laminators heat exchanger without electric pumps cools Heater from 800°C down to 55°C to protect the Airpresure Cylinder's.
2 systems = 2 risks

Rolex every one that I knew in Germany and Greece are worry about the People in Japan all our Thor's are with the People in Japan
I hope and I knew it will be happen that everything will go well again cause Japan's are Perfectionist.

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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #369 on: March 20, 2011, 09:20:16 AM »
Rolex, thanks again for your updates.
Although the situation in North Africa dominates the news here, Japan is still very much in our hearts and prayers.

Regards,
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #370 on: March 22, 2011, 09:08:57 PM »
Would someone please post one of those nifty "facepalm" pics?


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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #371 on: March 22, 2011, 09:18:44 PM »
You bump this thread, with that crap?

How dare you. Start your own thread.
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #372 on: March 24, 2011, 12:54:32 AM »
Bump.

Contaminated drinking water?
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Re: Japan Earthquake News
« Reply #373 on: March 24, 2011, 04:32:42 AM »
What did you expect?
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« Reply #374 on: March 24, 2011, 04:09:47 PM »
What did you expect?

You guys really do think water just magicly comes out the faucet when you turn the nob or that all water in Japan comes from within a couple miles of the most troubled nuclear plant over there?   :rolleyes:   :uhoh   :bolt:   :devil

I mean, I could go off on another thousand-umpty word rant about the miracles and marvels of modern plumbing and infrastructure and impacts a 9.0 earthquake has to those systems, their capabilities and previously isolated, secured and uncontaminated water sources.  Incase you need a hint, think of all the pipes and utilities that run or might run under your street or any street, now think of what might happen to all those utilities and the potable water services when all, most or some of those pipes break within the same general area - then multiply that by every single subteranian utility within an impactable distance to a 9.0 earthquake.


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