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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 11:16:19 AM »
its pretty self explanatory.

your good at posting pics of my skins pick a bare metal one to illustrate what i mean.
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 11:25:05 AM »
Or you could try some insightful critism. 
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 11:26:27 AM »
having trouble finding one? here let me help

yes i did the default b17 skin too but no one knows that because you dont get credit for default skins in the drop down menu

tell me is it a grey blob?

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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2011, 11:39:22 AM »
Well, thats nice, but, how many B-29s have a lot of coloring or wear to them?







Although its slightly difficult to see in the pictures of the skin, there are many panels that have different coloring to them.
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2011, 11:47:19 AM »
a big grey blob with different colored panels?

hmm your right im wasting my time here.

good luck with that.

clearly you have no idea what im talking about and im not going to spell it out for you.

but don't feel oppressed.

when somthing is amazing I will jump up and down and say its amazing and people know this especially when its somthing amazing that has slipped through the cracks and not gotten in game.

on the flip side, when somthing is a grey blob i will call it a grey blob.

your giving me excuses for being blind to what is even in the pictures you just posted.
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2011, 12:14:51 PM »
Look Fester, I'd like to become a better skinner.  Give some real insight here.

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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 12:16:49 PM »
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 09:39:03 AM »
As harsh as he may seem, Fester actually is trying to present the idea that you don't just put a flat color for BMF. He said he won't spell it out, but allow me to try.

BMF is one of the hardest "looks" to pull off. My first attempts were quite bland. I think I got better with my more recent ones, though.

Let's look at your examples here:







Look at them. They have a wide range of colors, highlights, shadows, all on a single frame. It's these "effects" that you need to try and capture in your BMF pattern. Look at some of the P-51s and P-47s for example. Some folks really have this down. Others not so much.

The end result can either look like a solid color paint bucket fill, or it can look like dynamic light off of a metal surface.

I hesitate to severely criticize other people's work, so I'll just classify the metal only (and not the overall skin).

Just using the P-47s as an example... Here's a paint-bucket-fill consistency skin:



Very blah. Markings may be nice, but the skin's BMF leaves little for the eyeballs.

Here's another one, with better BMF:



You see how it doesn't look like a 2D bitmap? It has extra depth. It's not just the rivets and panels. It's not just the weathering smears... It's the actual effort you put into painting the BMF itself.

Now for my own personal examples:

My first BMF:



I tried to give it a bit of that definition but I didn't "get it" at the time. Overall I find it bland nowadays compared to others.

Now my next attempts I tried even harder:




But overall I think it still left a bit to be desired.

I think I finally "got it" with my later ones, as seen here:





So you see how you can have a nice nose art and tail codes, but the overall skin can still be bland? BMF is very hard to get right, and it takes a critical eye to keep yourself on track. Either you have that eye yourself or you rely on outside feedback (which I would hope you do anyway -- many times I thought I was on the right track only to have folks steer me back on course, and I even scrapped and redid my later P-47N efforts for a much better end result than I initially had thanks to forum feedback).


Kev367th showed how he did his and it was quite impressive and helpful -- this isn't for the detailing just the base underlying colors, even!

The link is here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,179337.0.html
but the image is broken. I think I have a copy of it saved at home but it will have to wait until later when I can check, upload, and repost it here.
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 09:43:29 AM »
Again, just to reiterate because there were so many images in my previous post:


vs


Yours looks a bit like the latter right now. Mine's not perfect either, but you get the idea.

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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 09:48:58 AM »
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2011, 09:51:19 AM »
Thank you Krusty,

That is what I was looking for.  I think I have to spend more time in the base coloring verse setting layers above, the base layer.  I appreciate the time.
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2011, 09:52:54 AM »
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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2011, 10:15:49 AM »
Nate, what he's basically saying is your skin sucks and you should never attempt another skin because you suck at it :D













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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 10:53:06 AM »
I posted a short bare metal effects tutorial on the BBS a while ago. It can be found here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,279659.0.html

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Re: Sky Scrapper A Sq 9 497BG SN 42-24599
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 12:06:29 PM »
I posted a short bare metal effects tutorial on the BBS a while ago. It can be found here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,279659.0.html

Oooh, I missed that one, or possibly forgot about it. Thanks!