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Offline VonMessa

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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2011, 10:37:15 AM »
Quote from: flight17 on March 14, 2011, 09:18:15 PM
well lets see...

1964 172 http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-172-SKYHAWK/1964-CESSNA-172-SKYHAWK/1189191.htm? ~28,000

2011 172SP http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/CESSNA-172S-SKYHAWK-SP/2011-CESSNA-172S-SKYHAWK-SP/1171758.htm? ~310,000

see the difference?

Im sure anyone would want a newer plane, but not everyone has the money for it. Hell, i would just like to have a plane, dont care what its age is.



Good with your hands?

I could use the help, it would go a lot faster (even more so if I stopped making crap for my jeep and brewery)   Pittsburgh is not too far at ~150 mph  :devil

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(oh yeah, I can put floats on it if I want)    :aok
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2011, 11:14:13 AM »
4500 for a kx155 Navcom + glideslope, not as bad as I had thought.
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Offline VonMessa

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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2011, 11:15:43 AM »
Quote from: Tupac on March 15, 2011, 11:14:13 AM
4500 for a kx155 Navcom + glideslope, not as bad as I had thought.

Wait til you have to get the ADS-B installed...

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get the oil-can..

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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2011, 11:16:07 AM »
Quote from: EskimoJoe on March 15, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
I wouldn't every fly that thing!!
... With my clothes on  :devil

Airplanes should never be flown fully clothed. Hard to appreciate the freedom of flight with pesky underpants and shorts.
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2011, 01:01:41 PM »
Plus if anything should happen, God forbid, it will make for some interesting questions from the responders. :rofl
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2011, 09:10:07 PM »
Quote from: Tupac on March 14, 2011, 04:38:24 PM
My family is currently looking at purchasing a Cessna 172 with a continental O-300 in it. One of my friends who is an A&P (And also very opinionated) doesnt like them at all. I was curious what some of you thought, as I have read good things about them online.

Also, the engine in question has 100 hours on it after a total overhaul (1800 TBO)

There's nothing wrong with an O300.  It's essentially just an O200 like you would find on a C150 with two extra cylinders.  They made a GO300 (geared opposed) to hang on the C175 and I would avoid those.
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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2011, 09:40:24 PM »
Tomorrow I'm supposed to find out what would be a good day to get the pre-buy done, and the people who will put in the navcom say it will take around 5 days.

Dad has given the thumbs up on this plane as long as it doesn't have anything glaringly wrong with it.

Pics will be posted
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« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2011, 09:50:32 PM »
I have overhauled (complete..not just top overhaul) both Lycoming and Continental engines.

Overhaul costs for lycomings are always more cost effective than Continental. The difference is really in labour.

Tupac, before you buy find out if it was "Top Overhauled\' or "completely overhauled". There is a difference. Top overhauled engines are basically running new or overhauled cylinders. Completely overhauled engines have been split apart, all steel NDT'd, measured and re-assembled IAW the manufactures specifications.

Also, look at the overhaul or last inspection date of all engine accessories (Mags, starter, generator/alternator, fuel pump, carb or fuel servo etc.)

And lastly, actually first.....Have the aircraft run when it is cold and listen to it. If it runs a bit rough when it is cold and then seems to smooth out once it is warm it has an exhaust valve problem. Don't get snowed there..It should stable-ize out within a minute or so and idle normally. A sticky exhaust valve can eventually seize and cause push rod, lifter and camshaft damage.

just my $0.02 worth, but I have been doing this stuff for over 30 years.

cheers,
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2011, 09:52:15 PM »
New cylinders, and brand new (not rebuilt) mags last year with OH
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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2011, 09:55:08 PM »
I've flown an older Cesna 172 with the 0300 in it. It was a decent bird other than a corrosion issue. I happened to like the smoothness of the 0300 and the manual flaps were not anything to be concerned about. In my opinion, as a pilot and an A&P the manual flap system is simpler. I like simple things in an airplane and most powered items introduce more complexity and things that can fail.

The flaps can be lowered or raised faster manually than with an electric motor. They will not fail if you lose all electric power in the bird. You never need to worry about the motor burning out. If there is a problem with them it will cost less to fix.

Yes the 0300 has an 1800 TBO. It's not a big deal. There are 6 cylinders so that will increase costs in doing a top or full overhaul. If treated right, the engine should last at least the entire TBO period. Continentals tend to drop compression in cylinders faster than Lycomings. That just means you will need to start keeping an eye on them about 700 to 900 hours of use. During your annual inspection the mechanic will be doing a compression check on each cylinder as part of the inspection. A pre purchase compression check should be done before you buy the bird.

A 63 bird is just fine to fly as long as it checks out properly. My old Comanche was a 59 and flew wonderfully for the decade I had her. I sold her when we started to RV full time and I still miss being able to drive up the airport and take a hop whenever I wanted to.
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2011, 09:57:55 PM »
Simpler the better IMO, less to break and everything costs lots in aviation.
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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2011, 09:58:10 PM »
cc the cylinders.

Have an unbiased A&P do a compression test. Anyone who is selling an airplane should have no problem with that. And listen to it run cold and hot!  Important!.


Other than that...congrats and fly safe!

Oops just saw Mavericks post...Ditto....still listen to it hot and cold and check RPM's.

cheers,
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2011, 10:01:52 PM »
Quote from: RTR on March 16, 2011, 09:58:10 PM
cc the cylinders.

Have an unbiased A&P do a compression test. Anyone who is selling an airplane should have no problem with that. And listen to it run cold and hot!  Important!.


Other than that...congrats and fly safe!

cheers,
RTR

We've got an A&P lined up that neither of us have met before. He has a good reputation for being thorough, and will do the pre buy for us.

Safe flying to you too buddy!
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Re: To any A&Ps out there.......
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2011, 10:04:40 PM »
I'd add to your list, bore scope to peak at the valve faces for any hot spots or signs of piston scuffing. Also look at the belly for excessive blowby or a pressurized crankcase.
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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2011, 10:10:46 PM »
Sounds like you are in good hands ;)

I hope it works out great for you.

You are about to embark  on a wondrous and soulful journey.

Just remember that the day you figure that you have nothing else to learn is the day to hang up the wings.

RTR
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