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Offline colmbo

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2011, 11:22:09 PM »


An example of skip bombing on land is the Doolittle Raid, that was the bombing method they employed.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2011, 01:42:03 AM »
there's always things that were done in ww2.  the peoples ingenuity was pretty good.  I am pretty sure the sticky bomb  shown in saving pvt ryan was used many times in ww2, but not widely used as you guy simply the skip bomb was.  this is an example of one

"Murphy was one of a very small number of volunteer pilots who, with their flight crews, started bombing at low altitudes in B-17 flying fortresses in the Southwest Pacific. The aircraft were flown at a 200-foot altitude and at 250 miles per hour at night. One-thousand pound bombs, equipped with four-to-five second fuses, were dropped from the B-17s. On March 3, 1943, the Japanese made a desperate move to re-supply their forces on New Guinea. Twenty-two cargo, transport, and war ships proceeded toward New Guinea using bad weather for cover. They were found in the Bismarck Sea. The Allied Air Forces--using skip bombing--sank all twenty-two Japanese ships. Murphy was credited with sinking nine Japanese ships during his year of combat, including one in the Bismarck Sea battle. Skip bombing became a tactic that helped the U.S. win the war in the South Pacific."

and these were used against ships not tanks and under cover of darkness, had they been used against cv or bigger boats, they wouldn't have lasted long.

akak once again you bring something that is more than a footnote than a widely used tactic.  prove that it was widely used against tanks and cv.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2011, 02:05:58 AM »
If anything, it would be a great addition for an update that included a fleshed-out
group of targets (read : more ships, convoys, trains, etc. to blow up).

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2011, 03:08:43 AM »

akak once again you bring something that is more than a footnote than a widely used tactic.  prove that it was widely used against tanks and cv.

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skip and mast-head bombing wasn't a widely used tactic? 

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2011, 11:31:57 AM »
skip and mast-head bombing wasn't a widely used tactic? 

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just post one or two links in your research where they were widely used against tanks or cv's.  i seem to not be able to find that info.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2011, 12:26:55 PM »
skip skip skip to mah lou...skip skip skip to mah lou...

semp, i think we all know skip bombing was conducted primarily against targets in the water...but (it will take some serious digging) there have been some "obtuse" references of the technique being employed late in the war against land based targets, i don't recall anything about tanks but structures and 1 or 2 trains yes...and i believe those attacks used either light bombers or fighter/bombers...

it may not have been the same technique that was used against ships but...the effect was the same.
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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2011, 02:50:56 PM »
skip skip skip to mah lou...skip skip skip to mah lou...

semp, i think we all know skip bombing was conducted primarily against targets in the water...but (it will take some serious digging) there have been some "obtuse" references of the technique being employed late in the war against land based targets, i don't recall anything about tanks but structures and 1 or 2 trains yes...and i believe those attacks used either light bombers or fighter/bombers...

it may not have been the same technique that was used against ships but...the effect was the same.

i now but akak really likes to point out some obscure reference to whatever and makes it sound as if it was done everyday in ww2.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2011, 12:49:25 PM »
just post one or two links in your research where they were widely used against tanks or cv's.  i seem to not be able to find that info.

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I never claimed they were widely used against CVs and tanks.  However, skip bombing and mast-head bombing were used regularly to attack Japanese shipping and on occasion against fortified land positions.  If you want an example of skip bombing on land, the Marine Corsairs regularly did it when they would skip napalm and bombs into Japanese pillboxes and bunkers.  Just do a search of Marine ground support attacks at Okinawa to see some examples.

Also, skip bombing and mast-head bombing was found to be more accurate and effective than level bombing when it came to attacking ships, with mast-head bombing being the most effective with over a 70% impact rate.  If you wish to learn more about skip bombing and mast-head bombing, just read the story of the 5th AF in the Pacific.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2011, 01:08:47 PM »
I never claimed they were widely used against CVs and tanks.  However, skip bombing and mast-head bombing were used regularly to attack Japanese shipping and on occasion against fortified land positions.  If you want an example of skip bombing on land, the Marine Corsairs regularly did it when they would skip napalm and bombs into Japanese pillboxes and bunkers.  Just do a search of Marine ground support attacks at Okinawa to see some examples.

Also, skip bombing and mast-head bombing was found to be more accurate and effective than level bombing when it came to attacking ships, with mast-head bombing being the most effective with over a 70% impact rate.  If you wish to learn more about skip bombing and mast-head bombing, just read the story of the 5th AF in the Pacific.

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but we're not talking about mast head bombing and the thread clearly refers using bombs to destroy tanks and cvs.  a maneuver which was not widely used, but you're implying that it was.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2011, 02:26:29 PM »
but we're not talking about mast head bombing and the thread clearly refers using bombs to destroy tanks and cvs.  a maneuver which was not widely used, but you're implying that it was.

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I suggest you get someone to read my posts for you and to explain what I wrote.  I never claimed skip bombing or mast-head bombing were widely used against CVs or tanks.  You stated that skip bombing was never used on land, when that little fact is not correct.  Bomber crews of the 5th AF were regularly trained on land skip bombing (as shown in one of my earlier posts) and again, I suggested you look at the Marine ground support operations during Okinawa where Marine pilots flying ground support missions would use land skip bombing to hit fortified Japanese bunkers and pill boxes.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2011, 02:46:59 PM »
Could we have skip bombing please on water and land, nothing would satisfy me more than to skip bomb a 250 into the side of Mr Tiger or Mr CV. (Obviously the 'nothing would satisfy me more' was for effect, i do actually have a life, just not found it yet!)

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well this is the original wish, I could read it for you if you want.  i mean it wasnt used on land against tanks, or on water against cv's.  but if you look hard enough you can find that some guy actually used it once or twice against tanks, that doesnt mean it was a widely used tactic against tanks. as for being used against cv's , i couldnt find any reference to it.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2011, 02:55:27 PM »
He just asked for land and water skipping.
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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2011, 02:59:09 PM »
He just asked for land and water skipping.

I would like to see its inclusion into the game as well but I think the coding would take some time as you would need to make changes to the terrain (water and land) to allow skip bombing as well as changes to the bombs to allow timed fused settings.  If it's not possible to allow bombs to skip on the land or water due to how the current engine is programmed, I would like to see at least time fused settings be allowed on bombs to allow for mast-head bombing, which was far more effective and accurate than skip-bombing and widely used in the Pacific.

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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2011, 04:17:58 PM »
Oh I don't know about that Ack Ack, when I crash, I skip and bounce across the terrain fairly well be for I explode. 
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Re: Skip Bombing
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2011, 10:00:07 PM »
 
well this is the original wish, I could read it for you if you want.  i mean it wasnt used on land against tanks, or on water against cv's.  but if you look hard enough you can find that some guy actually used it once or twice against tanks, that doesnt mean it was a widely used tactic against tanks. as for being used against cv's , i couldnt find any reference to it.

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so can I have skip bombing to sink the ships around the CV? Then ill toss bomb the CV if that doesn't upset your delicte nature... as for tanks as I said earlyer it was used on land by germany and the us I know for a fact.. ya sure not evryone did it every day... but then again they were only thinking of keeping themselfs alive.. them gutless pigs... I mean what could go wrong droping a bomb so low?? On a side note semp I've read more wwii aircombat books then I care to recall. If I need to I could quote more than one.. I'm sure as heck not going to go looking on our "only the truth is told here" internet... that is your job. As clearly people who say they know they have read about it. Must back up what can sometimes (in my case) be decades of reading on the subject. Cuz you didn't like the answer you got.... and a second side note I even rember watching film of germany skip bombing with a Do-217. So go look for that on your you tube  :old: and have a nice evening not reading a book :-)