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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2011, 04:31:06 PM »
Almost all the G-6/ASs were conversions of G-6 a/c and built from May to Aug 1944. The G-/AS ac should have the Erla haube, the larger fin and rudder and wider prop blades.

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2011, 04:52:15 PM »
Taller rudder is g-10 and k-4 only. If im right.
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2011, 05:32:27 PM »
dang debrody...do you read german? i have some manuals i could share with you if you do...i can't make heads or tails of them...  :lol

i'm going to correct myself...late 43 was the 109g6/u2 (eastern front) which had a wooden rudder and had increased performance at low altitude...the g6/as db605a with db603 super charger (no mw50) was spring 44...the introduction of the mw50 system came late spring 44 early summer 44...production models rolled off the assembly line with the erla haube canopy.


now i'm starting to wonder if we could get the 109g5...  :headscratch:
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2011, 06:45:13 PM »
Taller rudder is g-10 and k-4 only. If im right.

Note I said larger not taller.

Production batches 163000, 164900, 165000, 166000, 411000, 412000, 413000, 44200, (G-6) as well as G-6/AS.

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2011, 07:09:22 PM »
YES!! Bring us more 109s.... my Hawker needs MORE!!! NOM NOM NOM!!!



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Seriously, I've been flying the 109s in BoG and it's a very nice bird.... and you guys amaze me your the knowledge of the different models/variations/iterations.

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2011, 10:01:22 AM »
I would love to see the K4 get the 20mm too. . .since you are asking.

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2011, 01:51:50 PM »
Problem is, asking for the 30mm on the Bf109G-6 we have in AH is like asking for +16lbs boost and 120 rounds per cannon on the Spitfire Mk V.  You can find lots of documents supporting it, but the aircraft in AH are supposed to represent earlier aircraft in their series than the 30mm armed Bf109G-6 and +16lbs boost Spitfire Vs.

I would love to see the Bf109G-6/AS added as an additional aircraft though.  It is badly needed for scenarios involving combat with high altitude American bomber streams prior to the introduction of the Bf109K-4.

I would love to see the K4 get the 20mm too. . .since you are asking.
To the best of my knowledge, the Bf109K-4 was never built with the 20mm cannon in the nose.  That was specifically why AH used to have a "Bf109G-10" that performed exactly like a Bf109K-4, but had the 20mm option.
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2011, 03:22:56 PM »
The 109G-14/AS would be, imho, be a better a/c to have than the G-6/AS. Much more common (~1400) and introduced about the same time as the G-6/AS.

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2011, 04:35:16 AM »
At Karnak:
whats the ratio to choose the g-6 against the g-2? Two 12.7mm guns instead of two 7.7mms, with 7mph speed, 7% climb and about 5% turn rate penality?
I dont fly anything but the g-6, and this is the worst 109 by far. That tater option would at least add a reason why to fly it. Would be still overshadowed by the g-14.
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2011, 08:45:29 AM »
I dont fly anything but the g-6, and this is the worst 109 by far. That tater option would at least add a reason why to fly it. Would be still overshadowed by the g-14.

Karnak is correct, I think.  The AH G6 - which once did have the 30mm option - had its armament limited when we got the G14, so that the G6 would be flown in its typical 1943 form.  This isn't so important in the MAs (but in the MAs you can fly K4 if you want), but it is very important in scenarios and special events and the AvA.

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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2011, 08:59:48 AM »
karnak is a bit off but not far...the 109-g6/as (db605a with db603 super charger) was developed and factory produced months before the 109-g4/as and in slightly greater numbers (14-1600 units depending on the source)...the 109-g6/as would give high alt (30k alt) performance like the 109-g14 we have in ah, with better maneuverability than the 109-g14...the g14 was more of a standardization of modifications between the g10 and k4...
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2011, 12:20:35 PM »
Problem is, asking for the 30mm on the Bf109G-6 we have in AH is like asking for +16lbs boost and 120 rounds per cannon on the Spitfire Mk V.  You can find lots of documents supporting it, but the aircraft in AH are supposed to represent earlier aircraft in their series than the 30mm armed Bf109G-6 and +16lbs boost Spitfire Vs.

I don't think boost levels/limitations can be compared with loadout options that are selectable from the hangar and can now be disabled by the CMs for special events. G-6 was introduced in the beginning of 1943 and first 30mm equipped versions came off the line in the summer of '43. G-6 faces '44 vintage bombers in the MidWar arena.


I would love to see the Bf109G-6/AS added as an additional aircraft though.  It is badly needed for scenarios involving combat with high altitude American bomber streams prior to the introduction of the Bf109K-4.

G-6/AS had a relatively short production run (for 109) of 686 aircraft. So I don't really see it as a hole plugger per se. Wouldn't mind one either though at some point. Finns had two of them.


To the best of my knowledge, the Bf109K-4 was never built with the 20mm cannon in the nose.  That was specifically why AH used to have a "Bf109G-10" that performed exactly like a Bf109K-4, but had the 20mm option.

The fact that part of the K-4 production had MG151/20 in place of the MK108 has been mentioned in Prien & Rodeike's Messerschmitt Bf109 F, G, and K: An Illustrated Study.

MK108 was the preferred weapon for the K-4 but because of Rheinmetall Borsig's difficulties in producing enough MK108s, electrical wiring was installed for both cannons so that when MK108 was unavailable, MG151/20 could be installed instead. I haven't seen any specific figures on how many of the K-4 actually had the MG151/20...and it is quite probable that such numbers don't exist or never will be found.


This isn't so important in the MAs (but in the MAs you can fly K4 if you want), but it is very important in scenarios and special events and the AvA.

There's feature currently in the game which enables CMs to disable loadouts for special events.
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2011, 12:31:46 PM »
I would love to see the K4 get the 20mm too. . .since you are asking.
IMO the 30mm is what makes a k4 good, adding a 20mm will make it easy mode
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2011, 12:38:13 PM »
IMO the 30mm is what makes a k4 good, adding a 20mm will make it easy mode
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30 mm makes the k-4 easy more, in my opinion. one shot, one kill, no luck justn skill    thats the k-4's motto
For those who can aim well, 30mm is WAY better than the 20mm.
Thats why i sukk in the g-6. Have to spend  alot of time the opponents six, the red guys have lotsa time to pick me.
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Re: bf 109-g6/u4?
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2011, 12:41:55 PM »
lol
30 mm makes the k-4 easy more, in my opinion. one shot, one kill, no luck justn skill    thats the k-4's motto
For those who can aim well, 30mm is WAY better than the 20mm.
Thats why i sukk in the g-6. Have to spend  alot of time the opponents six, the red guys have lotsa time to pick me.
Well, most AH playing can't shoot a mk108 to save their own lives, adding a fast, hard hitting 20mm will make it easier for most AH players
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