Titanic

[Penguin]

The only problem was that it was too late for Jack to get on.  In his adrenaline rush, he forgot that he was freezing to death.  By the time the rush ended, his body was already hypothermic.

-Penguin

[F22RaptorDude]

actually, F-22 is correct. if the ship had steamed straight into the iceberg, there would not have been nearly the catastrophe that there was--straight on, and the prow of the ship would have simply folded in on itself, effectively sealing off most if not all holes/leaks, giving the Titanic time to wait for outside help.

Or not sink at all, it would have only gotten maybe 1-3 compartments destroyed, so it could stay afloat, tho i bet alot of people would have been extremely crossed about it.

[Ack-Ack]

actually, F-22 is correct. if the ship had steamed straight into the iceberg, there would not have been nearly the catastrophe that there was--straight on, and the prow of the ship would have simply folded in on itself, effectively sealing off most if not all holes/leaks, giving the Titanic time to wait for outside help.

The theory is that with a head on collision, the Titanic may have been able to stay afloat with only 4 of the foward compartments being flooded, not that the bow would have folded on itself and "sealing off most if not all holes/leaks".  However, because of the questions about the construction and metallurgy, one cannot say for 100% certain that the Titanic would have stayed afloat if it rammed the iceberg head on.  Especially when it was discovered that the iceberg didn't create a gash on the side of the side of the Titanic.  The collision caused the hull to buckle and the seawater entered the compartments between her steel plates.

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[F22RaptorDude]

The theory is that with a head on collision, the Titanic may have been able to stay afloat with only 4 of the foward compartments being flooded, not that the bow would have folded on itself and "sealing off most if not all holes/leaks".  However, because of the questions about the construction and metallurgy, one cannot say for 100% certain that the Titanic would have stayed afloat if it rammed the iceberg head on.  Especially when it was discovered that the iceberg didn't create a gash on the side of the side of the Titanic.  The collision caused the hull to buckle and the seawater entered the compartments between her steel plates.

ack-ack

The iceberg scraped all the bolt heads off and the plates came apart and let water seep in, there was no gashing.

[flight17]

Titanic 2, Would i lie about something so stupid?

So some info i know from watching History Channel Specials on it.


Per middle screw...

The middle screw of the titanic was not run by the same type of engine as the outer screws were. The Middle screw was run off a Steam turbine using extra steam from the steam driven engines for the left and right screws. Because of being a turbine engine, it could not be reversed.

However reversing the engines was one of factors of the crash. Had they been kept full forward, it would have actually turned away in time because the center screw gave all the thrust to the rudder. Now some say the rudder was too small (myself included) but it was designed for high speeds, which the Titanic was deffinately doing. I went to check wiki on some of my info because i havent watched any titanic stuff for a while now, and i actually read that in WWI Olympic which had the same rudder was able to turn on a dime to avoid a collision with a sub and then subsequently was able to run it down and sink it. 

As for ramming it, it could have gone either way i believe. the bulkheads only went up 10ft above the waterline. So with 4 forward compartments full, would the nose have sunk less than 10ft? if the answer is yes, then it would have floated, if no, then it would have had the same fate because water would have just went over the bulkheads into the other compartments.

Titanic's radio man caused the massive loss of life though. Previously in the day, he had been using the radio system to send messages for passengers to NYC through. A nearby ship had heard them and turned off their radio because they didnt want to listen to them. At the time of the sinking, it was only 12 miles away and saw the rockets being fired buy thought they were just for fun. Because they turned off the radio, they also missed Titanic's SoS calls.

Alot of things came together that night to cause what happened to happen. There were many places were the situation could have been avioded, but wasnt. It seemed like the ship was ment to sink before it was even launched and/or set sail.

[B-17]

Titanic 2, Would i lie about something so stupid?

So some info i know from watching History Channel Specials on it.


Per middle screw...

The middle screw of the titanic was not run by the same type of engine as the outer screws were. The Middle screw was run off a Steam turbine using extra steam from the steam driven engines for the left and right screws. Because of being a turbine engine, it could not be reversed.

However reversing the engines was one of factors of the crash. Had they been kept full forward, it would have actually turned away in time because the center screw gave all the thrust to the rudder. Now some say the rudder was too small (myself included) but it was designed for high speeds, which the Titanic was deffinately doing. I went to check wiki on some of my info because i havent watched any titanic stuff for a while now, and i actually read that in WWI Olympic which had the same rudder was able to turn on a dime to avoid a collision with a sub and then subsequently was able to run it down and sink it. 

As for ramming it, it could have gone either way i believe. the bulkheads only went up 10ft above the waterline. So with 4 forward compartments full, would the nose have sunk less than 10ft? if the answer is yes, then it would have floated, if no, then it would have had the same fate because water would have just went over the bulkheads into the other compartments.

Titanic's radio man caused the massive loss of life though. Previously in the day, he had been using the radio system to send messages for passengers to NYC through. A nearby ship had heard them and turned off their radio because they didnt want to listen to them. At the time of the sinking, it was only 12 miles away and saw the rockets being fired buy thought they were just for fun. Because they turned off the radio, they also missed Titanic's SoS calls.

Alot of things came together that night to cause what happened to happen. There were many places were the situation could have been avioded, but wasnt. It seemed like the ship was ment to sink before it was even launched and/or set sail.

excellently said, and all valid arguments. i believe the radio operator had said "Shut up, shut up. Im busy" at one point. as for the screws, thats what i had been trying to get at in my earlier post.

[Ack-Ack]

The iceberg scraped all the bolt heads off and the plates came apart and let water seep in, there was no gashing.

It was originally believed that the Titanic suffered a gash to the side that allowed 6 compartments to flood, it wasn't until an underwater sonar survey a few years ago of the debris field that it was discovered the metal plates had buckled, not come apart like you stated.  The bow would have buckled the same way if the Titanic had collided head on, which also casts doubt on whether or not the Titanic would have survived a head on collision long enough to prevent the large loss of human life.  It also didn't help that metal losses some of its strength and it's often over looked but steel used to construct the Titanic was unsuitable for low temperatures. 

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[B-17]

It was originally believed that the Titanic suffered a gash to the side that allowed 6 compartments to flood, it wasn't until an underwater sonar survey a few years ago of the debris field that it was discovered the metal plates had buckled, not come apart like you stated.  The bow would have buckled the same way if the Titanic had collided head on, which also casts doubt on whether or not the Titanic would have survived a head on collision long enough to prevent the large loss of human life.  It also didn't help that metal losses some of its strength and it's often over looked but steel used to construct the Titanic was unsuitable for low temperatures. 

ack-ack

didnt the quality/condition of the steel on the Hood, coupled with her age, bring her down, as they were just off the ice shelf, no?

[Muzzy]

Regarding Hood: It may have been a factor in the ship sinking so quickly, but when the powder magazines go off there's not much that's going to save you. 

[Masherbrum]

The iceberg scraped all the bolt heads off and the plates came apart and let water seep in, there was no gashing.

The shoddy steel had more to do with it than anything else.    Rivets are not that effective under those tolerances.    But the Metallurgical content sealed her fate if they had even struck it head on.    What Ack-Ack said I agree with as I've read a lot on this ship and filtered out the BS on shows.    But the "slag steel flaw" rings true.   

Again, had he made it ON TIME and slower, it would have been a different story.   Also remember that Rudders were on the low end of the "mandate that all rudders had to be anywhere from 1.5% to 5% of the Hull's Underwater Profile".   RMS Titanic's rudder was 1.9%.   Coupled with the fact that when Murdoch ordered "Engines Reverse", the center propeller (right behind the center propeller) was operated by a steam turbine and not the same reciprocating steam as each outboard propeller.  When the turbine was shut down, they believe the dead prop affected the rudder effectiveness.

[flight17]

The shoddy steel had more to do with it than anything else.    Rivets are not that effective under those tolerances.    But the Metallurgical content sealed her fate if they had even struck it head on.    What Ack-Ack said I agree with as I've read a lot on this ship and filtered out the BS on shows.    But the "slag steel flaw" rings true.    

Again, had he made it ON TIME and slower, it would have been a different story.   Also remember that Rudders were on the low end of the "mandate that all rudders had to be anywhere from 1.5% to 5% of the Hull's Underwater Profile".   RMS Titanic's rudder was 1.9%.   Coupled with the fact that when Murdoch ordered "Engines Reverse", the center propeller (right behind the center propeller) was operated by a steam turbine and not the same reciprocating steam as each outboard propeller.  When the turbine was shut down, they believe the dead prop affected the rudder effectiveness.

lol way to copy/paste wiki... i at least reworded it  

everyone watch History/Discovery/Science/etc channel over the next three weeks. they will be showing titanic sunk as its coming up on the 99th anniversary.

[Masherbrum]

lol way to copy/paste wiki... i at least reworded it  

everyone watch History/Discovery/Science/etc channel over the next three weeks. they will be showing titanic sunk as its coming up on the 99th anniversary.

Sorry cupcake, I copied nothing, nor did I paste anything.    It was my own wording from reading this book no less than 10 times cover to cover, when I was younger.   It's currently residing in my basement.

http://www.amazon.com/Titanic-Her-Sisters-Olympic-Britannic/dp/1571451757

If you haven't read it, see if you can afford a copy, then worry about "laughing".    

[Babalonian]

actually, F-22 is correct. if the ship had steamed straight into the iceberg, there would not have been nearly the catastrophe that there was--straight on, and the prow of the ship would have simply folded in on itself, effectively sealing off most if not all holes/leaks, giving the Titanic time to wait for outside help.

The steel I believe they used back then would of been too britle in the artic waters, definetley would of been some compromise.


Nevermind, see AA beat me to it.

[F22RaptorDude]

The steel I believe they used back then would of been too britle in the artic waters, definetley would of been some compromise.


Nevermind, see AA beat me to it.

I think the ow would have been completely destroyed, but no physical material is worth almost 2,500 lives. I think they should have rammed it while numming the engines full astern, but then again you have to keep in mind that they were thinking rationally, They would rather avoid it, but either way, history books cannot be rewritten. 

[Masherbrum]

I think the ow would have been completely destroyed, but no physical material is worth almost 2,500 lives. I think they should have rammed it while numming the engines full astern, but then again you have to keep in mind that they were thinking rationally, They would rather avoid it, but either way, history books cannot be rewritten. 

Ramming an Iceberg would have saved them?    The Titanic nor most ships....(I did NOT say "all") could ram an Iceberg and be in a "good condition" to limp home.    Engines don't "numb" so stop using that term please.