I LOVE the P-47M

[Plazus]

JUGgler is a chubby chaser.

[bj229r]

I agree!

 With the "prefered" B&Z method of most MJUG flyers I'm suprised more of them don't fly the N for B&Z as it retains far more energy for the "skirt lift scramble back up the "timid ladder" to their perch!:)


JUGgler




JUGgler

Preferred method of most "M" juggers is pretty much the same as most Lgay sticks---ho...toodle off, come back, ho again. I refuse to fly em....like riding a jap bike

[LThunderpocket]

except i never ho.if they try to ho me i just climb cause i usualy have ALOT more E

[Warty]

I can't judge which is better (I don't think I've even flown a P47N yet), but it would be interesting to see performance charts for both, using the same exact fuel weight. Can you leave off the drop tank pylons in AH? I doubt a single P47N ever flew without them, given their super-long-range missions, but in AH, with same weight of fuel, it would be interesting to see which one performs better. My understanding is they both had the same R-2800 engine and GE CH-5 turbosupercharger. The test bed for both the YP-47M and XP-47N was the SAME P47C (according to Bodie). Some later P47Ns, apparently got a slightly newer R-2800-73 (still combat AC, non-combat P47Ns after that apparently got -77 and -81 engines). I don't know if that makes a difference, nor do I know which engine AH models.

unrelated, probably totally meaningless piece of data: Checking the late war stats for the current tour, the P47M and N K/D ratios are quite different. Any theories as to why?

P47D11: 1.32
D25: 1.17
D40: 0.73 (!!!?)
P47M: 1.40
P47N: 0.70 (!!?)

some other AC:
P51D: 1.26
P38J: 1.60
P38L: 0.62
me262: 7.26 (hehe)
yak-9U: 0.98
F4U-4: 3.03 (perk points making folks more timid perhaps?)
F4u-1D: 0.76
F4U-1C: 2.89
C-47: 0.04 (ok, huh? auger nearby perhaps?)
A-20G: 1.53
B24: 0.33
B29: 0.98
ME109G6:1.13
Chute: 642.00 huh? I get that you can't really get killed in a chute, but 642 kills by people in chutes???

[oakranger]

Try the D-25....My lady.

[JUGgler]

I can't judge which is better (I don't think I've even flown a P47N yet)

You will never fully understand the JUG series without a complete appreciation of the "N"aughty lady!
The closest JUG to the N would be the D40 but the D40 can't walk in heels  True class and style are defined in the minor details 



JUGgler

[Hawk55]

Are you sure that 0 at the end of 150 is supposed to be there?   

 

[Hawk55]

You will never fully understand the JUG series without a complete appreciation of the "N"aughty lady!


JUGgler

I haven't had the time to fly anything the last few months, but I too prefer the "N"(aughty) ride.

[LCADolby]

I agree!

 With the "prefered" B&Z method of most MJUG flyers I'm suprised more of them don't fly the N for B&Z as it retains far more energy for the "skirt lift scramble back up the "timid ladder" to their perch!:)

JUGgler




JUGgler

I love your way of words  I'll be flying the N model just to see if i can try and get a higher perch, rather than falling off it.

[Wiley]

Having said what I said earlier in this thread, I took the N out for a few sorties last night.

Of course, I wound up turnfighting a guy on the deck, and based on my familiarity with the D11 I believe he would've gotten me without the power I was able to use in a couple maneuvers with the -N.  I see now it is somewhat different.  And it definitely does zoom like something that zooms really well.

Legs for days, too.  Full gas gave me something like 53 minutes on the deck after liftoff.

Wiley.

[Soulyss]

unrelated, probably totally meaningless piece of data: Checking the late war stats for the current tour, the P47M and N K/D ratios are quite different. Any theories as to why?

P47D11: 1.32
D25: 1.17
D40: 0.73 (!!!?)
P47M: 1.40
P47N: 0.70 (!!?)

IMHO the most likely reason is that the P-47N can haul 2500lbs of bombs and 10 rockets and the M cannot. 

[oakranger]

Having said what I said earlier in this thread, I took the N out for a few sorties last night.

Of course, I wound up turnfighting a guy on the deck, and based on my familiarity with the D11 I believe he would've gotten me without the power I was able to use in a couple maneuvers with the -N.  I see now it is somewhat different.  And it definitely does zoom like something that zooms really well.

Legs for days, too.  Full gas gave me something like 53 minutes on the deck after liftoff.

Wiley.

You have to keep in mind on weight of the AC. D-11 is far lighter then the N. Also, you might want to consider a lighter eight gun or six gun package. I always take the six gun package to reduce weight.

I face up against all Jugs and the only one that gives me the most problem is the M

[JUGgler]

unrelated, probably totally meaningless piece of data: Checking the late war stats for the current tour, the P47M and N K/D ratios are quite different. Any theories as to why?

P47D11: 1.32
D25: 1.17
D40: 0.73 (!!!?)
P47M: 1.40
P47N: 0.70 (!!?)

D11- mostly used a "perk farmer" with carefull drivers, I think explains its hi K/D

D25- used as a bomb truck, most of these kills are GV I would suspect, also explaining why its K/D is hi

D40- I think this JUG is the "indecisive" JUG No-one really knows what to do with it so they try to do everything, also it is nose heay and most lose any fight after dropping the eggs

M- Hi K/D is explained by the incredible lengths most will go thru to fly it like a total panzy    again this is just my opinion

N- Low K/D is explained cause I fly below 500' and am "piled on" by most of the community at some point or another   for the most part!! I am the destroyer of the Ns K/D



JUGgler

[oakranger]

D11- mostly used a "perk farmer" with carefull drivers, I think explains its hi K/D

D25- used as a bomb truck, most of these kills are GV I would suspect, also explaining why its K/D is hi

D40- I think this JUG is the "indecisive" JUG No-one really knows what to do with it so they try to do everything, also it is nose heay and most lose any fight after dropping the eggs

M- Hi K/D is explained by the incredible lengths most will go thru to fly it like a total panzy    again this is just my opinion

N- Low K/D is explained cause I fly below 500' and am "piled on" by most of the community at some point or another   for the most part!! I am the destroyer of the Ns K/D



JUGgler

I found that the performance of the N at that alt is poor. I could be wrong on that but i face up against the N many times at that alt.

[JUGgler]

I found that the performance of the N at that alt is poor. I could be wrong on that but i face up against the N many times at that alt.

I believe most folks judge performance in terms of speed, acceleration, climb rate and turn ability. For me performance is far more subtle than this. I have an envelope my plane will "move around" in that includes all of the above plus a few more. The envelope for the "N" is bigger and more flexible IMHO!

I think you would be suprised to run in to a well flown "N" below 500' It just might turn you on 


 


JUGgler