Rook Horde

[Crash Orange]

Your Village just called.   They rambled on about "Tralfz is off the hook and you were out past curfew".

Why, look! I've got one on each ankle now!

[Slash27]

I'm a firm believer that arguing with strangers on the internet is equivalent to running the 100 yard dash in the special olympics.  You have to be retarded to participate in the first place.

Classy Hope your kids are all healthy.

[Masherbrum]

Classy Hope your kids are all healthy.

Hopefully he doesn't breed to begin with Slash.

[Slash27]

 

[Rob52240]

Had you posted the above as the original post and named it "WTG Rooks!" or some other title it may have gone as you "intended" it.

However, posting it the way you did was only adding fuel to the "horde issue" fire. Trying to say a horde is a good thing or...

....isn't going to change the idea that hordes are bad for the game, nor will it bring the reputation your squad seems to have earned back up out of the gutter.

of, in case you haven't noticed yet this is a game, NOT war.

Groups of people working together is good for the game in my opinion.  They make IL-2 Strumovik for guys who don't like flying with friends.  Again, the rooks were hording and that was good for the Rooks.  When you see a thread title do you just base your response on the title or the substance?

I understand that this is a game, not a war.  But it is a game where we play war, more specifically WW2.   I'm sure if you look hard enough someone will be more than happy to charge you $15 a month to play Poke`mon, Tiddlywinks Barbies or Pogs on their servers if you don't want to play war here.  The fact that you hold my squadron in such low regard makes me think you might be a bit biased against anything I say.

[Getback]

Rooks had a good size horde up the other day on the vagina map. Picked me a few buffs and made my escape. Thought to myself. What a great time to just go out and fight. Didn't do great and yet not all that bad either. Was fun!

[The Fugitive]

Groups of people working together is good for the game in my opinion.  They make IL-2 Strumovik for guys who don't like flying with friends.  Again, the rooks were hording and that was good for the Rooks.  When you see a thread title do you just base your response on the title or the substance?

I understand that this is a game, not a war.  But it is a game where we play war, more specifically WW2.   I'm sure if you look hard enough someone will be more than happy to charge you $15 a month to play Poke`mon, Tiddlywinks Barbies or Pogs on their servers if you don't want to play war here.  The fact that you hold my squadron in such low regard makes me think you might be a bit biased against anything I say.

I base my responses on what you post, not your whole squad. That is why I posted this section "nor will it bring the reputation your squad seems to have earned back up out of the gutter" (see the bolded). I didn't say "that they have", I give them the benefit of doubt by saying "seems".

I also had put the "intended" in quotes because I believe you DID NOT intend to just give cudos to the Rooks and some what to the Knights for organizing. You wanted to point out that the Rooks had a horde, and the Knights were trying to make one. Nobody said that the Bish are the only ones that horde, they are just more KNOWN for it. All sides horde, but that still doesn't make it a good thing. Hordes are bad for the game, period. It doesn't matter how much you polish a piece of crap, it's still a piece of crap.

Mission planners/leaders are responsible for the hordes. A number of people have said they can't control how many join the missions and such, I say Bull####! If you can't lead, or people don't follow orders than that is a reflection of poor leadership. You guys won't split your missions because you might fail. The only way to ensure a capture is to allow the horde to form and roll over a base.

Personally I think it's a poor way to play the game, where's the challenge? I suppose you guys play stratego or Risk by just wiping your arm across the board sweeping all the other players piece to the floor and say "WOW! I won again!" 

[vNUCKS]

Fugitive.

You state that hordes are bad for the game as though it's an irrefutable fact, as opposed to an opinion.  Please explain why hordes are bad for the game.  In my understanding of the history of warfare, hordes have always happened, and for the most part those able to field the largest and/or most effective horde have typically won the engagement.

Are you sure you just don't believe that you're opponent should fail to plan, or maybe even plan to fail?  Does effective planning, organization and recruitment of resources necessary to accomplish an objective damage the integrity of the game?

Are you of the opinion that a horde is some kind of irresistible force?  Are they impossible to defend against?  DO THEY SCARE YOU? 

I've seen many a horde be sent packing with their tails tucked, or better yet towered in minutes.  I've done it to them, and had it done to mine.  And best of all, everybody on both sides seemed to be enjoying themselves. 

I challenge you to lead a horde into battle 10 times with the objective of capturing an enemy base, and report back how often you succeed, as well as the casualty rate of the pilots involved.  I expect you'll discover that the losses are much higher than you imagine, and the success rate is much lower you expect. 

[ROX]

Sorry vNucks...he won't do it.  None of them will.  And they are WAY too lazy to pork ords/troops along the front to stop the hoard from even forming in the first place.  Don't like hoards?  TAKE AWAY the tools of the trade (ords/troops) that every hoard requires to take a base.  Not willing to do that?  Then save the whines because if they aren't willing to stop the hoard before it even starts...they deserve to get hoarded.

Even if Hades froze over and they even attempted it the first time they posted one and everyone saw bad planeset, bad gun & bomb loadouts, way too much gas and everyone is taking off out of the hangars---no one would join.

Nope.  It's far easier for that crowd to hollar out from the cheap seats about how everyone who doesn't play their $15 bucks like they do is lame and bad for game play.  Look for brainwashed ad infinitum phrases like "attacking undefended bases" and "avoiding fighting"...it's the dead giveaway of the "everyone should play their $15 bucks just like I do or they are lame" crowd.

I DO have to give you props for trying, though, vNucks.

Truth is, everyone plays their $15 bucks how THEY want, no matter how much someone else gets on the forums and whines about it.  Some have never figured that out and never will.

[vNUCKS]

undefended bases???  Oh,  I know what you mean, we often meet overwhelming numbers of un-defenders

 

[Rob52240]

Yeah Nucks, you need to stop attacking the defended bases or you're out of the squad.

[ROX]

Yeah Nucks, you need to stop attacking the defended bases or you're out of the squad.

            

[The Fugitive]

Fugitive.

You state that hordes are bad for the game as though it's an irrefutable fact, as opposed to an opinion.  Please explain why hordes are bad for the game.  In my understanding of the history of warfare, hordes have always happened, and for the most part those able to field the largest and/or most effective horde have typically won the engagement.

Yes it is fact, it is one of the main reasons the arena split happened in the first place. Hordes are part of that "Unhealthy environment" that you hear of.

Are you sure you just don't believe that you're opponent should fail to plan, or maybe even plan to fail?  Does effective planning, organization and recruitment of resources necessary to accomplish an objective damage the integrity of the game?

There is no planning. missions are "everyone grab a bunch of bombs and we will flatten the base" thats why they need such numbers. No skill, no plans, that only leaves brute force.

Are you of the opinion that a horde is some kind of irresistible force?  Are they impossible to defend against?  DO THEY SCARE YOU?

irresistible force force? not really, but for unskilled player they find safety in numbers. Impossible to defend against? ya due to the fact that more and more people see the horde and say "screw that" and go some place else to play. Defending against the horde is frustrating as you spend more time dieing than fighting. While I don't mind dieing, I find it hard to fight 4 or 5 guys at once. Do they scare me? LOL!!!! what a stupid statement!

I've seen many a horde be sent packing with their tails tucked, or better yet towered in minutes.  I've done it to them, and had it done to mine.  And best of all, everybody on both sides seemed to be enjoying themselves.

Good for you, I guess if I flew for over 110 hours this month I might see that happen more often, but I don't. Law of averages says that some have to fail, you must be lucky see them.

I challenge you to lead a horde into battle 10 times with the objective of capturing an enemy base, and report back how often you succeed, as well as the casualty rate of the pilots involved.  I expect you'll discover that the losses are much higher than you imagine, and the success rate is much lower you expect.  

I don't like to join hordes, never mind lead one. I would do everything I could to break up my force to hit more than one base at a time. I expect the loses you see are due to the lower skilled players that find the "need" to hide in the horde. When I was the CO of the Mafia years ago we would hit  multiple targets at once. I KNEW I could count on a 75% hit percentage for my squadmates and built my plans around that. I would bring enough for the job plus 10% just in case. If we couldn't take the base with that, we would regroup and run another mission.

Running IN a horde makes it no challenge to attack a base, there for not much fun. If there is 0% chance of failure why bother going for it? If I could win every fight I flew into why would I bother to play any more, where would the fun be to it? Fighting against the horde is frustrating and well not really any fun after awhile either, so where the "fun" in a game that is suppose to be "fun"? Eventually all there will be is 3 hordes avoiding each other trying to reset the map before the hordes do. Nobody will be defending against it, why bother it only takes away from thier own horde. It surely will be alot more fun then won't it.

But I've been told that the game has changed and I should change with it. So I try to HO as much as possible now. Old habits are hard to break though so I'm never in a good position  for a HO, but I'm working on it. I'm really going to need that skill as joining with the horde means I'll have to improve my shot, any shot, so I can get some kills before my countrymen/teammates can get them. Of course hiding in the horde I shouldn't die as much so that should give me more time to chase down those foolish bandits that try and fight the horde. It's all good  

[gldnbb]

 They make IL-2 Strumovik for guys who don't like flying with friends.  Again, the rooks were hording and that was good for the Rooks.  When you see a thread title do you just base your response on the title or the substance?

Actually,   when I do fly  Il2-1946 Sturmovik,   I fly with a specific group of guys I like on a specific server.   And have a blast talking /  working together.  The key is  'hyperlobby'   to locate the arena you want.   Eventually you like that arena, and that axis or allied side,  you join their teamspeak,  you eventually find the group you like and you sign onto their website to do missions with them.    ANd some squads participate in 'fso'  mutli-week mission  (like the Axis vs Allied  5 frame missions).

[vNUCKS]

Yes it is fact, it is one of the main reasons the arena split happened in the first place. Hordes are part of that "Unhealthy environment" that you hear of.

Wrong!!!

"I don't believe I have stated anything about my view of "The horde"."

HiTech (on: March 05, 2011, 11:27:02 AM)

I read many reasons posted regarding why HiTech split the arena, and the horde wasn't amongst them.

All I hear is that you and a very vocal and very small minority don't like them.  Cite your sources if you want to state something as fact.  I'll cite you as as my source that most players don't dislike them, I'll make the assumption the the horde members don't disapprove of the horde, and your characterization of the "horde" is such that its members must grossly outnumber its non-members.

As for the rest of your post, you make claims that you have experience regarding a subject that you claim you do not participate in. You don't participate in hordes, yet you have intimate knowledge of their lack of planning.  I repeat my request, obtain a little experience with the horde, and you may find that your success with it improves with experience. 

As for the horde offering an environment for those with less skills to pool their efforts to find success vs. those with greater skills, I won't argue. I just don't get why its bad for the game.

So, get some experience, or get some sources, or at least be honest enough to state your opinion as "an opinion" and "yours".  By you're own admission, you know little or nothing of being a horde member, yet apparently are an expert on what one can experience as a member or planner of one.  I suggest you're clueless, and I'll state your previous post as my source...  Get over yourself dude