from what i understand, they were used for a crazy number of other things for a while too, right? like firefighting, trans-atlantic (?), and a testbed for some new Pratt & Whitney engine, among others?
Both are deathtraps
Yeah for the guy attacking. Seriously if your getting killed off easy in a flight of 17's either A. the guy knows exactly how to be attacking you. B. your getting swarmed. or C your not flying it right or need to work on gunnery.