A380 vs RJ7 @ JFK

[Spikes]

If it was indeed AH he'd get accused of HOing as well.

I swear it was a front-quarter shot!

[phatzo]

I swear it was a front-quarter shot!

If you ever hear me say that, I'm cacking myself laughing at the same time.

[-tronski-]

lol Boeing worker

lol Indeed

A guess off the vision would be its the fault of the CRJ, or maybe JFK ground

 Tronsky

[Golfer]

lol Indeed

A guess off the vision would be its the fault of the CRJ, or maybe JFK ground

 Tronsky

How, I'm curious, is it the fault of a stationary airplane or a controller that a moving airplane smashes into a stationary airplane?

When is the last time you hit a parked car in your vehicle and had it being the parked cars fault?

[deSelys]

Movie looks sped up to me: the pedestrian in a high-vis jacket walks faster than Buster Keaton!!

A slower speed would explain why there weren't a lot of injuries in the front end of the "small" jet's cabin.

[Karnak]

How, I'm curious, is it the fault of a stationary airplane or a controller that a moving airplane smashes into a stationary airplane?

When is the last time you hit a parked car in your vehicle and had it being the parked cars fault?

What I am reading is that the Airbus was moving as directed by the controller and the commuter plane was not pulled as far forward as it was supposed to be due to heavy traffic.

[MachFly]

What I am reading is that the Airbus was moving as directed by the controller and the commuter plane was not pulled as far forward as it was supposed to be due to heavy traffic.

It was on the ramp so there was no controller involved. Regarding the "heavy traffic" (I assume you mean car traffic because there was no room for an airplane there) it is an airport, airplanes have right of way, if an airplane has to be somewhere than the car has better move. (note that I don't know what actually happened, just commenting on what you read)

Don't listen to what the news say, they have no idea what they are talking about. For example the reporter on BBC news said that it was a runway  . Since when are there parked planes (or a terminal) on the runway?  

[Golfer]

What I am reading is that the Airbus was moving as directed by the controller and the commuter plane was not pulled as far forward as it was supposed to be due to heavy traffic.

And that changes that Air France smashed into a stationary airplane how?  ATC can clear me to do whatever I want it's up to me to make sure it's safe. That generally includes not running into stuff that isn't moving.

The Comair jet looked like it was waiting for marshallers and are as far as they can go without the ground crew there to walk them in. You know, to prevent them from running into stationary objects with the wingtips they can't see from the flight deck.  Obviously AF expected their wingtips to clear if they paid any attention at all. They were wrong and the responsibility lies with the AF captain.

[MachFly]

Golfer, any chance of the Captain keeping his job after that?

[Golfer]

If he's an average Joe without a file probably. I probably wouldn't fire him/her for it at face value but it would depend on the individual more than anything. It's a great accident to learn from and nobody died. I don't think that they'd make the same mistake again and with a non punitive safety reporting system and French labor rules I imagine they'll stay employed.  If they're a basket case with a file this is a good reason to cut them loose. I'm not their supervisor and it could go either way really for all sorts of good reasons on both sides of the fence.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Typical French, no respect. 'Hon hon! I pee on your pathetic little American flying can ... <puffing on a cig> ... Off the way of Le Magnificient you go ... Brigitte, bring on le cheese, we arrived to burgeearland'.

Im too is surprised about the strength of that wingtip, tail. As far as who's fault is it, the 380 crew since it wasn't a low vis taxi condition. I think everyone is going to be splashed with that one.
Ground control for the taxi instructions
Ramp control for allowing the commuter to be too far back
Airport authority for not providing the required clearance between taxiway/ramp
Ramp agents for not marshalling quick enough
The commuter crew for being too far back
And ultimately the AF creew for not clearing the commuter, but will argue he was 'on the centerline'.
Everyone will be investigated, and sue each other ... Yay.



I sure hope the commuter didn't have it's tail sticking out of the non movement area by a single inch.

With all the cameras on that 380, they should have some on the wingtips.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Lol keep the hate flowing.

[MachFly]

If he's an average Joe without a file probably. I probably wouldn't fire him/her for it at face value but it would depend on the individual more than anything. It's a great accident to learn from and nobody died. I don't think that they'd make the same mistake again and with a non punitive safety reporting system and French labor rules I imagine they'll stay employed.  If they're a basket case with a file this is a good reason to cut them loose. I'm not their supervisor and it could go either way really for all sorts of good reasons on both sides of the fence.

Roger

[M0nkey_Man]

Host: Air_France has collided with you
System: You have ditched
200: Comair: Nice ram!

[Ripsnort]

Lol keep the hate flowing.

Okay.

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Freighter program "frozen" & orders converted to passenger models.
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