Just for the record, Spitfire...

[Blagard]

I just compared your picture with one of my own which I had titled "ventilated spit" - No competition there, you have a heck of lot more holes. Perhaps we should have a competition to see who can land a fighter with the most holes. I have a good chance there, since I am usually on the receiving end of fired ordinance 

[MachFly]

 

Fell free to post it.

[STEELE]

That screenshot of the Spit wing taking 2 taters and surviving, wth?
1 Tater should always be enough to de-wing a spitty.  Proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZGaEEi8Ek

[nrshida]

The wing didn't detach in your film.

[mtnman]

I've always considered the spitfire to be fragile (at least when viewed from the cockpit of my F4U).  It's a plane I can consistently destroy with a single (fairly short) burst.  Obviously, hitting at convergence and getting enough rounds into a small-enough space matters too.

All this talk of the D-tube wing construction, etc, has me interested.  Do any of you have the ability to dissect the damage suffered in this short burst on a previously-uninjured spitfire?  

I've shortened the clip to just the 8 seconds that really matter (no other rounds were fired by either one of us).  By my count, I only fired 93 rounds in a 1-2 second burst (I'm not sure how many of those 93 actually hit him), and scattered them all over the place.  There are hits on both wings, down the length of the fuselage, and across the stabilizers.  A wing comes off, there's an engine/fuel fire, and a pilot wound.  I'm surprised that the tail didn't come off.

Anyway, can anyone tell how many hits are sustained by the right wing, and how many of those are likely to be damaging the spar/D-tube?  I'm also curious about the G's on the spit's airframe.  Fairly low speed, going up, etc, I wouldn't think they'd be all that high?

Here's the clip-

http://www.4shared.com/file/Fg_NOSib/Spit_kill_0022.html

[MachFly]

I've always considered the spitfire to be fragile (at least when viewed from the cockpit of my F4U).  It's a plane I can consistently destroy with a single (fairly short) burst.  Obviously, hitting at convergence and getting enough rounds into a small-enough space matters too.

All this talk of the D-tube wing construction, etc, has me interested.  Do any of you have the ability to dissect the damage suffered in this short burst on a previously-uninjured spitfire?  

I've shortened the clip to just the 8 seconds that really matter (no other rounds were fired by either one of us).  By my count, I only fired 93 rounds in a 1-2 second burst (I'm not sure how many of those 93 actually hit him), and scattered them all over the place.  There are hits on both wings, down the length of the fuselage, and across the stabilizers.  A wing comes off, there's an engine/fuel fire, and a pilot wound.  I'm surprised that the tail didn't come off.

Anyway, can anyone tell how many hits are sustained by the right wing, and how many of those are likely to be damaging the spar/D-tube?  I'm also curious about the G's on the spit's airframe.  Fairly low speed, going up, etc, I wouldn't think they'd be all that high?

Here's the clip-

http://www.4shared.com/file/Fg_NOSib/Spit_kill_0022.html

Seems like you hit his right wing 14 times. I don't have the blueprints of Spit9's wing so I could not match that to your hits, but I think the hits on the first quarter of the wing (from the left) were more significant than the second quarter as the 1st quarter has more structural parts.

The exact amount of rounds required to take the wing off would depend on a lot of factors, such as type of bullet (size, speed, and canon or not), the angle at witch your bullets hit the wing, which part of the wing your bullets hit, the speed the aircraft is moving at, and the G loading.

Good hit BTW.

[mtnman]

Well, to draw some sort of comparison, I've been searching through my films for a similar shot on a "tougher" target.  This is one I've found so far, on an F4U.

http://www.4shared.com/file/rKRrseJ7/Rolling_scissors_SFOX_F4U_1559.html

91 rounds fired (I don't know how many hit?) on a "healthy" target.  Once again, it's just the few seconds of the shot.  No other shots were fired by either of us.  The damage is pretty similar, but the tail is damaged here too.  

Also, as similar as this looks to the spit film, I had to sort through GOBS of F6F, F4U, F4F, etc, films to find one where the wing came off.  It's much more common (for me) to get a kill on the pilot, or cut the tail off of these planes; where the wing-nipping is much more common against spits.  I'm not sure why.

[nrshida]

I think it is very useful to cross reference Guppy35's photographs with STEELE's video, but just observe and don't take any prejudicial expectations with you.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Not sure if it was End of the World Rubber Bullet Syndrome yesterday but at 1 base I shot up 4 different Zekes...each one firing only Cannon and landing bursts of 5-6 on all areas of the aircraft. Only 1 of the Zekes I hit showed any damage and was leaking fuel. I could of swore that you used to be able to hit a Zeke in the inner part of the wing and Poof, up in flames it went. Like I said, could of been RBS, but all I know is I have noticed since the patch a lot of Aircraft being torn to pieces with no visible damage or going down like they used to and have heard a lot of complaints from a number of different guys. Hopefully next patch will correct these minor problems...

[MachFly]

Not sure if it was End of the World Rubber Bullet Syndrome yesterday but at 1 base I shot up 4 different Zekes...each one firing only Cannon and landing bursts of 5-6 on all areas of the aircraft. Only 1 of the Zekes I hit showed any damage and was leaking fuel. I could of swore that you used to be able to hit a Zeke in the inner part of the wing and Poof, up in flames it went. Like I said, could of been RBS, but all I know is I have noticed since the patch a lot of Aircraft being torn to pieces with no visible damage or going down like they used to and have heard a lot of complaints from a number of different guys. Hopefully next patch will correct these minor problems...

I think it's just you (and someone else), and there is no bug involved.