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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2011, 05:11:11 PM »
And by the way, I've run some quick math...
4,000 players [from Lusche's stats]
some must be 2 week free trials. [10-20%]
Leaving 3500 paid subscribers.
@ $15.00/month@ 12 months/year
=  $630,000 in yearly gross operating capitol.


I lol'd. :)

This reminds me of (about? dam foreign language) The Drake Equation ;)
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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2011, 05:17:07 PM »
Im brazillian... is not about the country the company is in, is about the focus walking away from the neoclassicism where the only formula that matered was Total profit= Total recipe - Total cost; of course you need it in the capitalist system but I am talking about the new focuses.
i wish i could know more about the way the company works in the inside tho, meaning in structure.
for what i can guess here (i could be REALLY wrong here) is that it doesnt work on the participative mode, but it also looks like there is a nice and comfortable work mood that follows on the mission plan: "...experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work..."
What i mean is that i know that the idea is to use this mood and image to get the bigger level of satisfaction inside and outside the company but i have no idea how and that is what makes me so curious but i guess this isnt a subject for forums and also i dont know if it would be confortable for the company to comunicate all that. (even tho it would reinforce the image of strong communication HTC has).

Raphael, I know your just beginning to think about this subject and it is very difficult to describe business until you have owned one.

Profit is the only goal and the equation Profit = Total Recipe - Total Cost is really the only equation. There is in reality NOTHING else to consider.

But understanding the equation above is more complex than can be described in a book. Cost is not just a $ amount, you must also consider the time frame of of the profit. I.E. What is your profit over many years vs just this year. This adds the complexity when you start asking, can I sustain a profit when just looking at the short term vs long term effects of lower $ cost. It may be that you are saving a $ but the productivity and training cost increase down the road more then the original savings.

There are also times when nothing is more important then short term profit because  in business cash is king. If you run out of cash the company will most likely fold very quickly. Hence thinking long term can also explode the company.

Personal satisfaction also ends up in the same basic equation, because with out it , the drive to make the profit larger is liking to leave very soon.

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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2011, 07:20:03 PM »
But sir, are you talking about the survival of the company or its objectives? the paradigm im talking about is making the increase of profit THE objective of a company but it doesnt apply to some examples. Of course that every company NEEDS the profit and that basic equation to survive and im not passionizing the question, I am talking about the companies these days that make some actions that just wont apply to the classic point of view.
for instance when you make sponsored FSO. is there profit evolved in THAT specific decision? in the classic point of view such idea would never go forward, it isnt looking at the profit, it is looking at something else rigth on that time: image? propaganda?. in the end it WILL result in profit of course but do you see what i mean? walking far from Taylorism. looking at the outside.
a few days ago there was a memorial fligth for flackfud that has passed. ok, you migth say, but it wasnt the company that really organized it (i dont know if it did) but you made it indirectly, the only reason people homenaged that man and others is because of this "feeling" of family HTC leaves to the comunity, it is all indirect: giving the feature of creating oficial squads, organizing events, FSO's and other things that make the gaming experience something else, something more human. there is no profit there, is more emotional then phisical. and well if your objective is profit, it will result in it. but in the classic view, you would never look for profit in that way.
it would be cutting costs. classic. fire some people, buy cheaper, and economic material etc.
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2011, 07:20:45 PM »
also look at this, i have the complete freedom of discussing directly with the creator of the company.
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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2011, 07:47:14 PM »
.... in the end it WILL result in profit of course .....

And when it is a deliberate choice  to take the action , such as I speaking with you, to better PR and Image, the reason is profit.

I am not smart enough to define what the "Classic" view is. I'm just stating that the motivations are profit, not something else.

Some of what we do is to promote community / social relationships. That would include the FSO and the memorial flights. While we do not actively support them on a day to day basis, the reason they are encourage is community .. Longer player life ... more profit.

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2011, 07:59:49 PM »
Some of what we do is to promote community / social relationships. That would include the FSO and the memorial flights. While we do not actively support them on a day to day basis, the reason they are encourage is community .. Longer player life ... more profit.
Yes! that is exactly what im talking about. by promoting these events it shows that the old formula isnt beeing the one you are using. it is resulting in profit in the end? sure why not. but when i mention the classic view it is: need more profit? cut costs, fire people etc. the classic view looks into the company and ignores the market. your actions are indeed resulting in profit but the search for profit isnt inside the company. THAT is what is called breaking the paradigm. and that is why i find HTC really interesting. like google, apple and etc...
Never, in the classic and neoclassic view you would take and ACTION as the promotion of comunity/social events, this action just doesnt reduce cost and increase recipe rigth away.
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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2011, 08:30:54 PM »
I never said this, I said I put every cent I had to START the company.

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2011, 08:55:54 PM »
Raphael: We are in agreement. In fact what you speak of is why HTC got started after I lost control of ICI to IEN. Many choices made that I thought were very short sighted and would not work out well in the end.

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2011, 09:00:55 PM »
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keep up the good work sir, I really wish i could some day meet with you to learn more, but i guess thats a far dream.
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2011, 09:22:16 PM »
Yeah, it matters son. There are alot of people out there who say American business cannot compete because Americans will not work for 50 cents and hour and no bathroom breaks. I say that is a load of crap.

And heres THE formula btw. "Hitech doing whatever he damn well decides to do with own time and money+The public buying his service or not as they damn well please=Freedom. And Freedom=Prosperity."

(I imagine one thing about the business of building a flight sim, versus providing steel or fuel or cars, is that it hasn't been regulated, fee'd, and taxed to within an inch of its life. Though it wouldn't surprise me if OSHA came by one day and had a problem with everybody's chairs or something.)


Im brazillian... is not about the country the company is in, is about the focus walking away from the neoclassicism where the only formula that matered was Total profit= Total recipe - Total cost; of course you need it in the capitalist system but I am talking about the new focuses.
i wish i could know more about the way the company works in the inside tho, meaning in structure.
for what i can guess here (i could be REALLY wrong here) is that it doesnt work on the participative mode, but it also looks like there is a nice and comfortable work mood that follows on the mission plan: "...experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work..."
What i mean is that i know that the idea is to use this mood and image to get the bigger level of satisfaction inside and outside the company but i have no idea how and that is what makes me so curious but i guess this isnt a subject for forums and also i dont know if it would be confortable for the company to comunicate all that. (even tho it would reinforce the image of strong comunication HTC has).
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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2011, 09:57:06 PM »
Not to be off topic, but one business you may look into is Patagonia. One of the last things I did for college was a Harvard case study of Patagonia. They are not looking for incredible growth nor large profits. Their mission is to make as little of an impact on the environment as possible, while keeping a high quality product. They donate a % of their sales to environmental causes, and employees are given 2 months of PAID leave if they want to go help with a cause.

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2011, 10:07:40 PM »
There are alot of people out there who say American business cannot compete because Americans will not work for 50 cents and hour and no bathroom breaks
that is totally not what I am talking about over here.
I am talking about innovation (wich is a new wave going around the world)and you are talking about Exploitive authoritative managment system.
Hitech doing whatever he damn well decides to do with own time and money
Well in this case you are saying HTC shouldnt be considered a company, you are calling it a game. and it HAS to be more serious then that since it is hitechs third experience in that field.(sorry mistake here, second)
and you are talking about freedom. well freedom is what gave him the oportunity to really invest his money on building this company, yes you are rigth on that. he could make a company on steel, fuel, cars business but he choose a small company for the development of a combat sim. i still see no link to coments like "Completely American owned." and "Yeah, the company deserves highlighting in economics class all across this nation."
i am sorry but i just dont get your argument, maybe its my bad english, could you explain more?
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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2011, 10:17:45 PM »
Not to be off topic, but one business you may look into is Patagonia. One of the last things I did for college was a Harvard case study of Patagonia. They are not looking for incredible growth nor large profits. Their mission is to make as little of an impact on the environment as possible, while keeping a high quality product. They donate a % of their sales to environmental causes, and employees are given 2 months of PAID leave if they want to go help with a cause.
enviromental investment is a wave that many companies are using around the world, i have no authority to talk about Patagonia since i have no study on it but the so called "green seal companies" (i dont know if US uses the same term) use it as a marketing strategy. of course that are cases and cases. and it is still pretty interesting.
I remember coke a few time ago aimed for this campaign here in brazil on their propaganda aswell. its done now LOL. now they are focused on the "there is a reason to believe, *cof*drink coke with us*cof*, on a better world"
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Re: college activity related to HTC
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2011, 10:49:43 PM »
enviromental investment is a wave that many companies are using around the world, i have no authority to talk about Patagonia since i have no study on it but the so called "green seal companies" (i dont know if US uses the same term) use it as a marketing strategy. of course that are cases and cases. and it is still pretty interesting.
I remember coke a few time ago aimed for this campaign here in brazil on their propaganda aswell. its done now LOL. now they are focused on the "there is a reason to believe, *cof*drink coke with us*cof*, on a better world"
It is a new trend in marketing, however Patagonia has had this position since its founding and is more of a business strategy and integrated with their company culture than a a marketing ploy.

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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2011, 11:11:55 PM »
now THAT is different.
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