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Offline Karnak

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Re: Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2011, 01:24:58 PM »
It performed like a G-10 would, some people (especially the new players that are Luft fans) would be tickled pink to have the 20mil option back on the only Luft bird capable of climbing with Spits (well, supposed to anyway) and catching up to LA-7's, Typhs, Runstangs, ect.
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No, it performed exactly the same as the Bf109K-4 we have in AH now.  A Bf109G-10 should top out at about 425mph, not 452mph.

Also, the Bf109G-14 climbs just dandy.  It's problem is when it needs to intercept a bomber raid and escorts at 25,000ft and that is why we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS and also why the Bf109G-10 doesn't help, it actually entered service after the Bf109K-4.
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Re: Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2011, 01:55:56 PM »
No, it performed exactly the same as the Bf109K-4 we have in AH now.  A Bf109G-10 should top out at about 425mph, not 452mph.

Also, the Bf109G-14 climbs just dandy.  It's problem is when it needs to intercept a bomber raid and escorts at 25,000ft and that is why we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS and also why the Bf109G-10 doesn't help, it actually entered service after the Bf109K-4.

Accepted and resolved:
1. the g-14 climb rate up to 20k is fabulous and accurate
2. the as variant would allow for better high alt performance on the 14 variant, thus filling a gap in the 109 inventory for a 20mil 109 that can hang at alt

Question:
1. What is wrong with the published 452mph (some sources, e.g. Angelucci/Matricardi I have here) number for the k-4 (I recognize this is likely a reiteration for you).
2. Why would a 20 mil k-4 variant (which sounds suspiciously undifferentiated from the G-10) not also fill the high-alt 20-mil niche as would the AS varaints of g-14 and g-6?
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Re: Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2011, 02:10:34 PM »
There is nothing wrong with the 452mph speed for the Bf109K-4.  Before the Bf109s were updated to AH2 standards, the Bf109G-10 did 452mph, which is faster than the Bf109G-10 should be.  Pyro, if I recall correctly, stated that they had made a Bf109K-4 and just called it a Bf109G-10 so they could give it the 20mm engine gun option.  In AH2 they are being much more rigorous in making the aircraft accurate.  See also the changes to the Spitfire Mk IX from its AH1 model to its AH2 model.

The problem with the Bf109G-10 as a gap filler is that it doesn't enter service until November of 1944, too late to be used in settings where the Germans need a Bf109 that performs better at altitude.  It can't really be used as a stand in because its performance is significantly better than the Bf109G-6/AS it would be standing it for.  It also doesn't solve anything because by the time it enters service the Bf109K-4, with higher performance and good altitude performance, is already available.
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Re: Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2011, 02:18:05 PM »
It also doesn't solve anything because by the time it enters service the Bf109K-4, with higher performance and good altitude performance, is already available.

I'd accept this as almost completely correct but g-10 would provide a late-late war option for a slightly less than k-4 with better ballistics. Admittedly, this is a vanishingly small niche need in scenario but would doubtless be quite popular in the Transformers world of the MA.

Otherwise, color me convinced on the 14/AS though the 6/AS is only going to please me in scenario play.

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Re: Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2011, 06:57:30 PM »
i think i have a bit more info on this subject of the re-2005 than the average american with his internet connection,LOL

Well I would expect so since you are over there in Italy!  Seriously though - whatever happened to the Reggiane company itself?  You would think SOMEBODY still has specifications, or operations manuals or something packed away.  There are a number of sites where us average americans with our internet connections can get access to plenty of luftwaffe blueprints and manuals (our big problem is translating the stuff from german).  There are notes that the 2005 was evaluated by germany, so I wonder if the records of that evaluation are out there someplace. 

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Re: Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2011, 08:47:37 PM »
Well I would expect so since you are over there in Italy!  Seriously though - whatever happened to the Reggiane company itself?  You would think SOMEBODY still has specifications, or operations manuals or something packed away.  There are a number of sites where us average americans with our internet connections can get access to plenty of luftwaffe blueprints and manuals (our big problem is translating the stuff from german).  There are notes that the 2005 was evaluated by germany, so I wonder if the records of that evaluation are out there someplace. 

Yes, and that data is going to be the key to the Sagitarrio rearing its inverted vee here. There's a subtext here, Alpini. You could probably help move the mountain if you could make good with some data.
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