P40F

[gyrene81]

oh thanks for clearing that up guppy...

ya know, looking real closely at the bombs on those N models, the ones on the wings are 250 lbs, centerline is definately 500...


comparing the dimensions, these are not 250s...

[R 105]

 I am too lazy to look it up but I think the P-40E did not have wep like the P-40E here in AH? If so our P-40E is already beefed up. I would like to see the Merlin engine version in the game. The P-40 is a tough bird and can take a lot of hits so a more competitive ungraded model may prove to be much fun.

[DemonFox]

Hhmmm Im not so sure Gyrene that kinda looks like a 1000lb bomb with 500lb on the wings but that's just me. Meaning if I'm right that means those are 250lb. And I don't think the British 100lb look like that

[gyrene81]

Hhmmm Im not so sure Gyrene that kinda looks like a 1000lb bomb with 500lb on the wings but that's just me. Meaning if I'm right that means those are 250lb. And I don't think the British 100lb look like that

          keep trying demon...keep trying. 

oh if you have a lot of time today...take a look at the manuals available (have to register), interesting reading

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/p-40-flight-manual-7478.html

[Krusty]

I am too lazy to look it up but I think the P-40E did not have wep like the P-40E here in AH? If so our P-40E is already beefed up.

You should look it up. Ours hits the specs for a standard P-40E. Whether it had WEP or not, that just means we should be running WEP all the time (like the P-39D) instead of having it for 5 minutes 

However, I think somebody came forth and provided some explanation. I don't recall what it was at the moment.

[Butcher]

I'd like to see the P40L/N models, I believe in the L because of higher alt capabilities would be more interesting for all campaigns 43+
Biggest problem with these aircraft is the lack of speed/alt for the Late war Main Arena which poses a problem, I don't believe this will be high on the
list for being added any time soon in my opinion, I would rather have other aircraft looked into first.

[Guppy35]

OK having dug through all the P40 stuff on the shelves, here's what I've come up with.  I do think the photo up thread of the 6 bombs, 2-2-2 set up is just a test set up.  That bird looks way too clean for a 40 in the field

It appears the early birds such as the E and the Merling F and L could carry anti-personnel bombs on the wings.  Pictures of an E from the CBI and F/Ls from the MTO with the same set up.  Sounds like it was a factory design, not always installed, but available.  Not a field mod.  Most definately not 250 pounders too   Thinking those are the 30-40 pound anti-personnel bombs.









The P40N-20 was the fighter bomber, set up to carry a DT and 2 500 pounders, or 3 500 pounders.  First pick just showing the underside and the bomb racks.  The other photo showing a DT and 2 500 pounder set up.  There have been other photos upthread of the 3 bomb set up on the N.  I'm guessing the one photo shows a 1000 pounder and 2 500 pounders.  They did tend to push the factory limits in the field.  Mustangs for example say right on the pylon that it's stressed for 500 pound bombs, but they carried 1000 pounders late in the game too.

[Tyrannis]

P-40F and P-40L, which both featured Packard V-1650 Merlin engine in place of the normal Allison, and thus did not have the carburetor scoop on top of the nose. Performance for these models at higher altitudes was better than their Allison-engined cousins. The L in some cases also featured a fillet in front of the vertical stabilizer, or a stretched fuselage to compensate for the higher torque. The P-40L was sometimes nicknamed "Gypsy Rose Lee", after a famous stripper of the era, due to its stripped-down condition. Supplied to the Commonwealth air forces under the designation Kittyhawk Mk II, a total of 330 Mk IIs were supplied to the RAF under Lend-Lease. The first 230 aircraft are sometimes known as the Kittyhawk Mk IIA. The P-40F/L was extensively used by U.S. fighter groups operating in the Mediterranian Theater.

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spits are sissy looking planes.


now this...this is how a real mans plane looks.

[Guppy35]

So in an ideal AH world the P40 line up would end up looking like this:

P40C-DT capable.  Subs for the P40B so it can cover the AVG, USAAF, RAF, SAAF, USSR.  Covers PTO, CBI, MTO, Eastern Front  Time frame roughly 1940-42

P40E-DT capable.  Covers USAAF, RAF, RAAF, RNZAF, USSR.  PTO, CBI, MTO, Eastern Front.  Time frame 1940-43

P40L-DT and bomb carrying capable on centerline.  Covers USAAF, RAF.   MTO, PTO.  Time frame 1942-44

P40N-20-DT capable and with wing racks allowing up to 3 500 pounders carried.  Covers USAAF, RAF, RAAF, RNZAF(?)  Covers PTO, CBI, MTO.  Time frame 1943-45

Skinners could be busy forever with all the different paint schemes.  Opens the door for all kinds of Scenario, FSO, Snapshot options.  Enough performance differences to find use in the MAs


Yeah I know it's wishful thinking, but this is the wishlist forum

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the P-40 is IMO the toughest, baddest, looking bird of all the WW2 birds.

she just looks mean....especially the flying tigers shark tooth grin

[Guppy35]

the P-40 is IMO the toughest, baddest, looking bird of all the WW2 birds.

she just looks mean....especially the flying tigers shark tooth grin

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Problem is the wartime P40Ns didn't sport them much

The warbird guys who own P40Ns seem to like to paint them in AVG P40B markings for some reason.  It's been getting better lately with more accurate paint jobs on newer restorations, but I guess folks think P40 they think AVG and want to see that shark mouth

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Problem is the wartime P40Ns didn't sport them much

The warbird guys who own P40Ns seem to like to paint them in AVG P40B markings for some reason.  It's been getting better lately with more accurate paint jobs on newer restorations, but I guess folks think P40 they think AVG and want to see that shark mouth

true...did any N's have it?

as far as I knew that was just the earliest P40's

[Butcher]

Problem is the wartime P40Ns didn't sport them much

The warbird guys who own P40Ns seem to like to paint them in AVG P40B markings for some reason.  It's been getting better lately with more accurate paint jobs on newer restorations, but I guess folks think P40 they think AVG and want to see that shark mouth

This man would like a word with HTC about not adding the other P40s by now ->

[Krusty]

Guppy, the 3x loadout looks to me like the wing ones are rather slim... I wouldn't rule out 2x 250 and 1x center 500lb.


As for the proposed loadout, the P-40C doesn't help anything early in CBI. We really need a P-40B modeled to the AVG specs, IMO. Also subs for VVS as they reportedly ran their engines hot until they failed then just scrapped them or dumped in another engine (disposable planes to them)

I'd agree to the L with the caveat that it's the least important as long as you already have the E model. 4 mph difference in top speed, and would be great for skins but overall not so different that the E couldn't sub for it in every occasion.

For the P-40N, could you not also carry 2 wing DTs, and a centerline bomb? Possibly 3 DTs? Were the wings plumbed or just racked?


INK: Some did. Guppy posted one, I posted another.

[Guppy35]

Guppy, the 3x loadout looks to me like the wing ones are rather slim... I wouldn't rule out 2x 250 and 1x center 500lb.


As for the proposed loadout, the P-40C doesn't help anything early in CBI. We really need a P-40B modeled to the AVG specs, IMO. Also subs for VVS as they reportedly ran their engines hot until they failed then just scrapped them or dumped in another engine (disposable planes to them)

I'd agree to the L with the caveat that it's the least important as long as you already have the E model. 4 mph difference in top speed, and would be great for skins but overall not so different that the E couldn't sub for it in every occasion.

For the P-40N, could you not also carry 2 wing DTs, and a centerline bomb? Possibly 3 DTs? Were the wings plumbed or just racked?


INK: Some did. Guppy posted one, I posted another.

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I figure the P40C is the trade off to get the most 'bang for the buck' so to speak without breaking the bank asking for variants.

The N20 I posted with the sharkmouth is a stateside bird.  I just used it to show the underwing racks.

112 squadron would be appropriate as they started the shark mouth P40s anyway before the AVG

There were 23rd FG shark mouth N models too as they were the successors to the AVG