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Offline Scotty55OEFVet

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F6F Hellcat
« on: June 23, 2011, 04:47:44 PM »
I was reading a book entitled "The World at Arms" (The Reader's Digest Illustrated History of World War II) and in a section  dubbed "The Plane that turned a battle into a Turkey Shoot" it talks of the Grumman F6F (which we all know and love). What I am referring to is this comment right here-
"The Hellcat was fitted with 2-20mm cannon to match the Zero and four wing-mounted machine guns, compared with the Japanese Fighter's (zero) two. It goes on to speak of this and that but I just want to know why the F6F in-game sports 6-.50 calibre's and Im reading about how in 1943 when the Hellcat first appeared on Carriers in the Pacific. Now, im just wondering if the reason for the 6 gun configuration of .50s is because AH got their info from another source and it stated that the cannon made it slower the final, Best version was the 6 gun config or is this book wrong. I know its not a book about aviation, but I have checked on many things in this book agaisnt information I have found online and it is very accurate...

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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 04:58:47 PM »
The F6F-5 could be fitted with the mixed battery of one 20mm and two .50 per wing.  However to the best of my knowledge only a couple of the -5N (night fighter variant) were actually equipped in this matter, and I've yet to find any evidence that any day fighters were deployed in this fashion.  

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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 05:00:02 PM »
I was reading a book entitled "The World at Arms" (The Reader's Digest Illustrated History of World War II)


A general remark:

Books like this one are the printed  equivalent to History Channel shows. They can make a fine reading, but due to the very broad approach covered on few pages, aimed at the general public and the way they are written and edited (being more compilations and rewrites than result of original research), they are prone to have many oversimplifications, plain errors in detail, especially when it comes to technical details.

When you are doing research like HTC has to do for this game  (at elast if you take things seriously), you will try get hold of as much primary sources as you can get (that's original documents: pilot manuals, manufacturers aircraft descriptions, official test reports, production statements etc.) Good monographs about your subject, adehering to scientific standards are the second best (and often invaluable) choice. Your book isn't any of it.
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 05:30:58 PM »
If you're looking for a good F6F book I can recommend "Hellcat: The F6F in World War II" by Barrett Tillman, can probably find it for around $10 in paperback and it's worth a read for the F6F enthusiast.

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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 06:59:15 PM »
Lusche's comment is spot-on.

One finding: "...Toward the end of Hellcat production some F6F-5 aircraft were equipped with a "mixed battery" of armament where a 20mm cannon replaced the inboard machine gun in each wing. In this case the two cannon were provided with a total of 450 rounds of 20mm ammunition, and the remaining four .50 caliber guns a total of 1600 rounds."

- America's Hundred Thousand, Francis H. Dean, Shiffer Military History, 1997

No word on the definition of "some" or whether or not these cannon-equipped F6F-5s saw combat.

Very interesting though. As if Greebo needs any help  :)
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 09:24:50 PM »
Thanks for the info guys. And yes, it is a very good book with a lot of knowledge, but that is why I brought it to the forums lol...figured somebody would let me know lol. Lusche, thank you for the detailed description of how you would go about stayin as historically accurate as possible. I had a good idea that a few of those things would be no-brainers for modeling HTCs AC, but thanks for the few I didnt know about.  :salute
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Re: F6F Hellcat
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 08:26:08 PM »
As if Greebo needs any help  :)


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