June FSO

[Squire]

http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html

Registration for current squads should be open for side preferences. This will close Sat May 28th at 6:00 PM. Side assignments will be posted later that evening.

[Zoney]

Looking forward to this no matter which side the AK's are assaigned.  I did not see anything on the June calendar however, is the first frame June 3rd?

[Squire]

Frame 1 is June 3rd yes.

[Shifty]

Nice job Glen. 

[Squire]

Thanks John. 

[branch37]

looks like it should be a fun setup. 

[Krusty]

Says: "leading the way in forging the legend of the Curtiss fighter in Finnish service."


Uh... the Brewster wasn't a Curtiss plane. It was a Brewster (that was the company!). That Curtiss would be the P-40, which is only enabled for the VVS.

Also, 24 B-239s enabled? They only had some 40-odd total, split into 2 squads, and the squads rotated only 1 to the front at a time if I recall?

The ratio of brewsters to other craft was very small and 24 planes in this setup seems to have a higher ratio than actually servced, when you compare the smaller scale of this FSO. 12 might be better.

It's not like the VVS are on top in this setup, no need to make it worse 


P.S. Great to see the Karelia map has been updated!! Woot!

[Squire]

wasn't a Curtiss plane

Typo. fixed.

They only had some 40-odd total

Hence the limit of 24. Not unlimited. 12 is a bit small?, and we dont usually go overboard on "ultra historic" OOB #s for the rarer a/c of WW2. 

Great to see the Karelia map has been updated!!

Im looking forward to seeing it in action.

[Krusty]

Squire, the Luftwaffe fielded some 500 bombers from Finland alone against the Soviets. Even more fighters. Now look at how many active planes the Fins put up in that time. How many were Brewsters? Other types?

The brewster was statistically insignificant compared to the numbers of 190s, 109s, ju88s, and all other types. Dropping the number in this setup down to 12 is a better compromise than even a historical ratio (which would probably be 1-2 planes in this setup if you did the math).

Like I said the VVS is gonna get whupped already. No need to make it worse by loading the axis with brewsters.

[Squire]

The brewster was statistically insignificant

Im aware if its operational #s.

We dont do SEA setups with absolutely historic side ratios and/or OOBs and the players would not want them.

Next time you see a Ta-152 or an Me-163 in a setup remember your comments above. The B-239 is hardly the only rarer type we have ever used in FSO. Look at the real operational #s of Ki-61s deployed in the SW PAC, you want us to go down that road? really?

Maybe a few players would like to try out the Finnish Brewster? so what. 24 max is hardly some huge outlandish # for FSO. The strength of SEA setups is that no two designs are ever the same. You can design them with some a/c left out, and some included. Next time I do a 1943 Fin-Rus setup maybe I wont have the B-239. Maybe I will have a VVS B-25 and no Boston III. Who knows. There is no one way "cookie cutter" way to do them and I think thats a good thing.

Re the plane set. You can have setups that are based on WW2 or you can have 100 percent "fair" setups with both sides in P-51s with a 50/50 split on a flat terrain. Are some setups advantageous to one side? yes, but over many setups hopefully it evens out a bit. With this one? I guess we will see. Its not a plane set we have not used before in Snaps, Scens and prior FSOs..."Dogs of War" is my FSO design and I dont recall a big prob for the Allies or the Axis with a similar plane set.

[Fencer51]

Im aware if its operational #s.

We dont do SEA setups with absolutely historic side ratios and/or OOBs and the players would not want them.

Next time you see a Ta-152 or an Me-163 in a setup remember your comments above. The B-239 is hardly the only rarer type we have ever used in FSO. Look at the real operational #s of Ki-61s deployed in the SW PAC, you want us to go down that road? really?

Maybe a few players would like to try out the Finnish Brewster? so what. 24 max is hardly some huge outlandish # for FSO. The strength of SEA setups is that no two designs are ever the same. You can design them with some a/c left out, and some included. Next time I do a 1943 Fin-Rus setup maybe I wont have the B-239. Maybe I will have a VVS B-25 and no Boston III. Who knows. There is no one way "cooky cutter" way to do them and I think thats a good thing.

Re the plane set. You can have setups that are based on WW2 or you can have 100 percent "fair" setups with both sides in P-51s with a 50/50 split on a flat terrain. Are some setups advantageous to one side? yes, but over many setups hopefully it evens out a bit. With this one? I guess we will see. Its not a plane set we have not used before in Snaps, Scens and prior FSOs..."Dogs of War" is my FSO design and I dont recall a big prob for the Allies or the Axis with a similar plane set.

+1 Nicely stated.

[Krusty]

Nicely said, but nothing new. I know all of that.

I also know it's all about balance and compromise. That's why we don't have 50,000 VVS planes vs 1,000 LW planes.

I'm not saying it needs to be totally even as you suggest. I'm saying that's a lot of brewsters on a small-ish map and they are more than capable of dominating anything that they run across (in this setup). With that in mind I suggested a better compromise would be 12 craft.

I'm not asking about being lectured, I'm not asking about balance of the setup or the whole philosophy of the FSO. I get that stuff. I'm not ignorant of what you guys put into it. Only, sometimes, IMO, you don't make the best decisions regarding plane limits and such.

I've voiced my opinion. It's clear you don't want to listen. 'Nuff said.

[StokesAk]

I don't see how the Brew is going to destroy in this setup, it is the slowest plane in the setup from the looks of it.

The engagement alts of FSO are around 20k, so it would suck up there too. The only way that it would have a chance against another plane is if the opponent it dumb enough to turn, or it catches it low.

I'm sure the Russian planeset can handle 24 brewsters.

No need in arguing either, I doubt they will change the setup.

[Squire]

Side prefs this afternoon gents. The assignments will be out tonight. Thank you.