ki27

[icepac]

...the p63 king cobra? where did that plane get pulled into this discussion from? 

Right there in the post you quoted.

The ki27 should appear in game long before the p63 is even considered.

[Karnak]

the ki-84 numbers are a real head scratcher...had to do a lot of digging...2 different production engine possibilities and some discrepancies with fuel grades.

Yeah, Ki-84 performance is not a very clear cut subject.

[Krusty]

Ki-84 is more clear cut than you think... The engines all ran at the same output levels. Regardless of what the intent was, the actual outcome was always de-rating the later engines to run at the same power level of the original. So essentially all Ki-84s ran the same despite minor changes here and there.



EDIT: Hightone: Ki-44 would not be all that well accepted in the LWAs. It's a 1943 plane that at best had 2x 12.7mm and 2x7.7mm MGs or 4x 12.7mm MGs. With 1943 performance. Being the only Japanese plane that doesn't quite turn like a Japanese plane, I think it might get as much use as the Spit14. Folks wouldn't like it, and would just roll a A6M5 or Ki84 or __________ (fill in the blank here). I'd like it, yes, but welcomed in the LWA? No. Not so much. It would be a niche role in MA use. It's true usefulness would come out in scenarios or FSOs and the like.

[Karnak]

Ki-84 is more clear cut than you think... The engines all ran at the same output levels. Regardless of what the intent was, the actual outcome was always de-rating the later engines to run at the same power level of the original. So essentially all Ki-84s ran the same despite minor changes here and there.

Yeah, that's why the Japanese reports all detail the same performance levels......oh, that's right, they don't.

[Krusty]

No but that's why they say the Homare 45-21/23s were downrated to only run at the exact same levels as the Homare 45-12s, and the follow-up engine in 1945 was being built in the worst possible conditions with bad results.

Almost no engine late in the war built in Japan was able to perform as intended. Even the J7W Shinden never made its full power and had major overheating problems on just the prototype. This isn't just a matter of fuel quality (which was generally low for them) but also of metal tolerances in construction, assembly, seals, lubricants, O-rings, etc... It only takes a single rod to bend or a gasket to blow and it ruins your day rather quickly.

Plus there's just flat out a lot of wrong or misleading info on some of that late-war stuff. See the US numbers being circulated as Ki-84 true performance as an example, vs actual war-time capabilities.



EDIT: That said, a Ki-27 or A5M Claude would be nice eventually for this game. Very limited for early early war planesets in CBI and such. Ki-43 plays the part much better.

[icepac]

KI44 might not "agile" as compared to a ki43 or zero but the american pilots who tested captured examples like it a lot.

[Ack-Ack]

I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.

There are other references of the P-63 being used in combat, it's just that it's hard to find official Soviet records but that doesn't mean there aren't additional resources.


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[icepac]

True akak....I will ask my buds at the russian warbirds freehost for information on that plane since they are russian.

Maybe they know someone who has a grandfather.......

[Ack-Ack]

True akak....I will ask my buds at the russian warbirds freehost for information on that plane since they are russian.

Maybe they know someone who has a grandfather.......

The problem isn't so much of a lack of references but more like a lack of official documents.  Having said that, I am starting to come to the line of thinking that it is quite possible that it did happen.  All the right ingredients were present, the Ki-27 was most likely from the Manchukuo Air Force before the MAF was pressed into service with the IJAF as part of the Japanese 2nd Air Army.  It is very plausible that when the Soviets invaded Manchukuo, the MAF tried to use their Ki-27bs to intercept or the Soviet P-63s encountered the Ki-27bs over the battle field.

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