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Offline PuppetZ

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Re: Scissors ??
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2011, 06:49:52 PM »
In my understanding, it's not really advisable to get in a rolling scissor with a plane that roll better than yours. Then again, it's a difficult succession of maneuver that needs to be pulled perfectly for some time. A screw up on the part of the offensive plane (ie : not controlling it's forward momentum correctly by pulling longer helix than the defensive fighter) will give a chance to the defensive plane to reverse. So It comes down to skill (for which you need practice). I for one usually screw it up after 2-3 revolution, by stalling, not rolling fast enough and/or overshooting.

i'll make use of the surplus e (acceleration) that a 109 (and many other planes) has and go vertical...

That's a double edged sword. I've bee able to make quite few 109 auger in a rolling scissors they seemed to win (ie : in phase but no gun solution yet) by steepening the dive element of the roll just a wee bit. A f4u with full flaps and reduced throttle will not pick significant speed in a vertical dive where a 109 will accelerate quite quickly. They simply cannot follow the next pull up.
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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: Scissors ??
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 12:28:36 AM »
Chop throttle...

Only against the torque.  If the engine is going to fight the move, then chop throttle.
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Offline JOACH1M

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Re: Scissors ??
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 05:57:55 AM »
Only against the torque.  If the engine is going to fight the move, then chop throttle.
Well I chop either way, when I'm going over on top im trying to let them fly up In front of me.
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Offline mtnman

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Re: Scissors ??
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2011, 06:06:21 AM »
A scissors isn't about flying slower than the other guy.  It's about flying a longer path with less forward progress. 

Keeping your throttle up will allow you to use your new position behind your opponent to kill him.  Getting slow in the scissors may let him past, but also leaves you in a poor position to capitalize on it. 

Chopping throttle and slowing down is seldom a good option if your opponent is experienced.
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Offline gyrene81

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Re: Scissors ??
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2011, 09:03:58 AM »
hey clam...the guy that made these videos does a good job explaining and showing the maneuvers, albeit in slow ww1 kites...since my acm capabilities are a work in progress, i've found it easy to understand by watching repeatedly then trying the maneuver offline (because i'm a dipstick  :D ).

rolling scissors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FPr9issOQ&feature=related

flat scissors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHIOixiJ33s&feature=related

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