MiG-3

[icepac]

Those 12.7 ubs are pretty hard hitting guns and were available with two in the cowl or the "5 guns" loadout that had 1 ubs 12.7 in the cowl, a 12.7 ub in each wing pod, and 2x7.62 also in the cowl.

[iron650]

I believe in the article they mentioned I believe the 109s they mentioned about outclassing them were F models. Also, in the article there was something about it and the navy.

[Motherland]

Friedrichs were extremely limited during Barbarossa.

The MiG-1/3 was the worst modern (i.e. not the I-16 or I-153) fighter the VVS had at the beginning of the war, despite being liked personally by Pokryshkin. Whenever it's mentioned, it's used as the quintessential 'exception that proves the rule' that 'if it looks right, it is right'. That is to say, despite being one of the more beautiful aircraft of the war, it was a total dog. Despite having decent altitude performance, VVS doctrine was based around low-level work. Despite being quick, it lacked the firepower to really be effective as a hit-and-run plane (an ShKAS and a UBS can in no way be stretched to be considered 'decent firepower', the UBS in game is even worse than the M2). The LaGG-1/3 was not a whole lot better  (but at least evolved into the La-5/7), but the Yak-1 was about on par with its Luftwaffe contemporaries- usually considered the best fighter that the USSR had at the beginning of the war. That's likely one of the reasons the Yak series was the most produced fighter series of the war.

For an early war VVS fighter on par with the Bf 109, the Yak-1 serves better than the MiG-1/3 for many reasons, and the LaGGs for several less... in any case, I should certainly think that the MiG is at the bottom of the three.

[iron650]

Friedrichs were extremely limited during Barbarossa.

The MiG-1/3 was the worst modern (i.e. not the I-16 or I-153) fighter the VVS had at the beginning of the war, despite being liked personally by Pokryshkin. Whenever it's mentioned, it's used as the quintessential 'exception that proves the rule' that 'if it looks right, it is right'. That is to say, despite being one of the more beautiful aircraft of the war, it was a total dog. Despite having decent altitude performance, VVS doctrine was based around low-level work. Despite being quick, it lacked the firepower to really be effective as a hit-and-run plane (an ShKAS and a UBS can in no way be stretched to be considered 'decent firepower', the UBS in game is even worse than the M2). The LaGG-1/3 was not a whole lot better  (but at least evolved into the La-5/7), but the Yak-1 was about on par with its Luftwaffe contemporaries- usually considered the best fighter that the USSR had at the beginning of the war. That's likely one of the reasons the Yak series was the most produced fighter series of the war.

For an early war VVS fighter on par with the Bf 109, the Yak-1 serves better than the MiG-1/3 for many reasons, and the LaGGs for several less... in any case, I should certainly think that the MiG is at the bottom of the three.

This is a high altitude fighter that got into low altitude engagements against 109s. Also, they tried fixing the gun problem with 2 12.7mm gun pods. Also, we could get some scenario play on Stalingrad with the Yak-1 and the MiG. (We haven't had any Russian scenario as far as I can recall.) They were made to replace the I-16 monoplane, I-152, and I-153 biplanes.

[Motherland]

This is a high altitude fighter that got into low altitude engagements against 109s. Also, they tried fixing the gun problem with 2 12.7mm gun pods. Also, we could get some scenario play on Stalingrad with the Yak-1 and the MiG. (We haven't had any Russian scenario as far as I can recall.) They were made to replace the I-16 monoplane, I-152, and I-153 biplanes.

The MiG-3 was better at high altitudes than low ones, but it was a dog any way you cut it compared to the Bf 109 or the Yak-1.

Further, 3x .50 cal machine guns and 2x .30 cal machine guns is still a light armament compared to the 20mm armed 109s, Yaks, LaGGs, etc., despite the weight that gun pods would have added.

The MiG was not a good aircraft, period. The Soviets had much better ones at the time.

[iron650]

The MiG-3 was better at high altitudes than low ones, but it was a dog any way you cut it compared to the Bf 109 or the Yak-1.

Why are dogs used in so many insults? 

[gyrene81]

motherland thinks because it doesn't fit his standards...it was a dog. i guess it's a good thing the soviet pilots who were stuck with them weren't given the perogative to think the same way...it was a tool for them to use to the best of their ability.

considering the time the mig was put into service it served it's purpose...very much like the p-40b, hurricane 1, p-75, spitfire 1 and many others. a was proven by all of the countries involved prior to 1941, you don't need heavy guns to bring aircraft down...nor is turn n burn the only way to fight. the mig has all the grace of a tbm at low alt, but it was proven by the soviet pilots that it could be successful enough.

[Motherland]

motherland thinks because it doesn't fit his standards...it was a dog. i guess it's a good thing the soviet pilots who were stuck with them weren't given the perogative to think the same way...it was a tool for them to use to the best of their ability.

considering the time the mig was put into service it served it's purpose...very much like the p-40b, hurricane 1, p-75, spitfire 1 and many others. a was proven by all of the countries involved prior to 1941, you don't need heavy guns to bring aircraft down...nor is turn n burn the only way to fight. the mig has all the grace of a tbm at low alt, but it was proven by the soviet pilots that it could be successful enough.

I don't know what 'my standards' are supposed to be, I'm was never a WWII fighter pilot and I've never even flown a sim which had the MiG-3. I can only tell you what I've read about the aircraft and its use and reception historically.
The MiG was only used because they needed aircraft. It, and the LaGG as well, to a lesser extent, was hated by the majority of its pilots (beside Pokryshkin, as noted, but he was also snubbed for taking a preference to American lend lease aircraft like the P-39)... they were given not-so-nice names like lacquered coffins etc..
It's not like the Spitfire MK.I, or the Hurricane MK.I, or even the I-16, which were pretty decent fighters compared to their contemporaries (the I-16 of course hailing back the whole way to the Spanish Civil War), and were phased out as better fighters came on line. The MiG was a contemporary of the LaGG-1 and the Yak-1, was much worse than either and was only used because the VVS needed everything it could get its hands on. Unlike the LaGG and the Yak, which were developed further into very successful aircraft (although the Yak did well from the beginning as previously noted), the MiG was so irredeemably awful that it was dropped altogether... even while it was in service, the VVS tried to get rid of MiGs as much as they could in favor of other types...
The MiG was literally famous for being a failure. Trying to argue that the MiG was actually a decent aircraft despite all is like trying to do the same with the BP Defiant... to a lesser extent.
There's nothing to do with my opinion here, history, the VVS, the Luftwaffe, everything you can possibly ask tells you point blank that the MiG was a terrible aircraft.

The numbers speak for themselves. ~20,000 La/GG-1/3/5/7s were built, 35,000 Yak-1/3/7/9s, but only ~3,200 MiG-1/3s.

[gyrene81]

i knew i could get you to do something besides spout.."it was a dog blah blah blah"...started sounding like krusty    nice job sir...and agreed, it wasn't a top of the line fighter, mainly due to the maneuverability and short range...but just consider the timeline and the significance the mid, lagg and yak all played before 41...the soviets had them, they used them (extensively) and when they got better planes they used those.

[Debrody]

sooo...you're saying a 7mm machine gun can't score a kill...

You have to hold your bullet stream on the enemy aircraft for a long time to couse damage. Its inpossible if youre BnZ-ing, you have to turn with the target (just guess a P-47 with one machine gun...)

Btw the soviets had a large variety of fighters being produced and used during the WW2, and we dont have ANY of their early designs, no mig-1/3, no lagg-1/3/5, no Jak-1 (also no Jak-3/7, but those are later models), also we have only one of the many soviet ground attack/light bomber planes... There are many possible, interesting scenarios on the eastern front. +1 to anything russian

[Wmaker]

and it was fast.
real fast.

Not at low altitudes where most of the combat in AH takes place.

[alpini13]

+1  has to be the best looking fighter of ww2...and some had 2 x 20mm gunns  some had 2 x .50cal guns,made in quantity,early to mid war fighter, OH YES!!!

[iron650]

You have to hold your bullet stream on the enemy aircraft for a long time to couse damage. Its inpossible if youre BnZ-ing, you have to turn with the target (just guess a P-47 with one machine gun...)

Btw the soviets had a large variety of fighters being produced and used during the WW2, and we dont have ANY of their early designs, no mig-1/3, no lagg-1/3/5, no Jak-1 (also no Jak-3/7, but those are later models), also we have only one of the many soviet ground attack/light bomber planes... There are many possible, interesting scenarios on the eastern front. +1 to anything russian

You're right about the EW models. Also, there were 2 gun pods with a single 12.7mm to make the firepower issue somewhat solved (just reduce 12mph.)

Not at low altitudes where most of the combat in AH takes place.

Short-range somewhat alt missions?

[Motherland]

You're right about the EW models. Also, there were 2 gun pods with a single 12.7mm to make the firepower issue somewhat solved (just reduce 12mph.)

Short-range somewhat alt missions?

There were only 'EW' models, the aircraft was not developed into the 'mid' and 'late' war settings.
Further, you're reducing (at low altitudes) an already low speed, poor maneuverability, and poor climb rate with those gun pods.

[mbailey]

более русские самолеты!

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