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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #285 on: July 22, 2011, 03:42:54 PM »
I just flew all the planes I mentioned today.

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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #286 on: July 22, 2011, 03:58:35 PM »
I have flown this plane for a year and half almost straight. You are flat wrong.
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #287 on: July 22, 2011, 04:19:24 PM »
You are free to fly the planes what ever altitudes you like, until you somehow quantify and isolate the percieved problem against hard data, you are just blowing hot air.
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icepac, you're going 'round in circles.

A key premise in your argument is "the best german high altitude fighter = more stable german high altitude fighter".

Please bring us objective evidence to show this is a fact.  Otherwise it's just your opinion.
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #288 on: July 22, 2011, 04:49:03 PM »
To 40k+

Like FLS says I'm not sure the Dora can even get up there.

The published figure I was going by is 39,370 but I was able to get the AH 190D to 42k running very light. It only took about an hour to go from 30k to 40k.  :D  I still think the Ta152 is clearly the better high alt fighter but I rarely fly either one.

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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #289 on: July 22, 2011, 05:00:17 PM »
I still think the Ta152 is clearly the better high alt fighter but I rarely fly either one.


It's getting very significant better than the D9 past 25K, and we don't even need to talk about the difference between them at altitudes above 30k ;)

After reading this thread...  is it required to post my kill numbers in both to get at least a trace of credibility?   :headscratch:
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #290 on: July 22, 2011, 05:04:58 PM »

It's getting very significant better than the D9 past 25K, and we don't even need to talk about the difference between them at altitudes above 30k ;)

After reading this thread...  is it required to post my kill numbers in both to get at least a trace of credibility?   :headscratch:

I think the better question is....

Who and why do you have that much free time that you can wait to climb to 40k in a flight? What does that avg?, 2 flights a night?
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #291 on: July 22, 2011, 05:09:03 PM »
Who and why do you have that much free time that you can wait to climb to 40k in a flight? What does that avg?, 2 flights a night?


It's the quality of your gaming experience and the fun you have isn't necessarily depending on sorties/hour. ;)

Speaking for myself, one single 45min sortie vs a very high altitude raid is often much more fun to me than doing 4 or 5  low alt furball sorties (with many more kills) :)
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #292 on: July 22, 2011, 05:24:40 PM »

 I have only been in a 152 one time and i can say you all have no clue what you are talking about :bolt:


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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #293 on: July 22, 2011, 05:54:06 PM »
I have only been in a 152 one time and i can say you all have no clue what you are talking about :bolt:


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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #294 on: July 22, 2011, 06:24:35 PM »
It only took about an hour to go from 30k to 40k.  :D
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My complaint is about stability and not about the 152 being able to fly high and fast.
The gist of it is it's no different from low altitude: D9 might feel crisper but it also departs that much more abruptly, and sooner to boot.  The 152's performance advantage in sustained turning and E-retention in instantaneous turn just keeps getting better the higher you go.  The 152's rudder authority is much better.  Overall it's as mushy as the Yaks in slow vert maneuver, but once you learn the plane you can keep it pointed where you want it at all times by constantly being on the rudder & stick.  What you're really saying is that you're unable to do that - to permanently be guiding the plane instead of letting it self stabilize like the D9.
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Wmaker is arguing this plane yet he has only flown 2 sorties in it in the last 5 tours (134 to 138).
So what?  How much time does he have with the 152 in all other tours for each physics revision?  How does e.g. flying 100 sorties a month in last 5 months trump 300 hours each month till 3 years ago?
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I took Zeagle's information because he actually flies the plane he is talking about.
Are you really fairly selecting by experience volume, or whether someone agrees with/contradicts you?
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When comparing the 190d, I clearly stated 30,000 feet yet many here have turned that into 40,000 feet which is a world of difference...........and not at all what I said.
So what?  You don't get to 40 without passing thru 30.  There's no practical reason in typical AH gameplay to expect someone who flies at 40 not to also fly at least as much at 30 where there's multiple times the combat density.
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The 190d is much more stable and able to intercept bombers at 30,000 feet than the 152.
Where's the evidence?  Bomber intercept qualities are energy retention, firepower (since that directly decides what kind of maneuvering's required - you don't need to do more than intersect bomber's trajectory with yours in a 262), speed, and adequate/minimum maneuverability.  The 152 arguably only matches the D9 on one (ease of adjusting nose at target) and beats the D9 on the rest of em.  It's no unfortunate coincidence that planning your pass ahead of time so that the shot timing seamlessly coincides with your maneuvering - whereas the D9 requires you to have the nose pointed at target much longer IOW fly into defensive fire longer, interfering even if only a little with your maneuvering at and around the bombers.
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Yes, the 190d will make 40,000 feet........but not well.....however it is more stable than the 152 even way beyond it's maximum altitude.
No it doesn't.  Show some evidence.  In fact the D9 at 30k is skittering on the edge of departure like on ice whereas the 152 floats over it at any given speed the D9 can manage, and then is as stable as anything in the planeset at speeds the D9 can't reach.
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I flew the 190d and spit IX, XVI, and XIV over 40,000 feet today.......ask the 163 drivers who felt the need to dive out of icon range/dive in or be rescued by another fighter as they absorbed bullets this afternoon.
If the 163 ran from you he was clueless.  Just flying a plane doesn't amount to authority, or I could right now pay 10 players to fly around randomly and call that "more evidence".
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That said, the spit XIV (yes the 16 and not the 14) has better stability than either 190/152 at 40,000 feet even though it is not known for it's high altitude performance like the spit 14.
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The whole crux of my observations is that the 152 is more unstable that it should be at high altitude
Evidence for underlined part?
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while planes that shouldn't fly well at high altitude turn better and are more stable than the ta152
Just plain wrong.  Show evidence for this.  The burden of proof is on you, one person who's only been here on the order of 1 year, versus dozen+ people who'd been here anywhere from 1 year to 10.
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......of course, they don't reach the same speeds.....but they have better utility than the 152 even outside of thier known flight envelope than the 152 does well within it's envelope.
Also just wrong.. You're flying it wrong and just haven't seen it flown right.  In a nutshell the 152's got a significantly larger combat maneuvering envelope than the D9.
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #295 on: July 22, 2011, 10:32:06 PM »

The most beautiful plane in AH!  :rock

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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #296 on: July 23, 2011, 03:58:09 AM »
If you fly the 152 like a D9, you're doing it wrong.
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #297 on: July 23, 2011, 10:09:51 AM »
Well, complaining about the 152s instability, thats ok.
But complaining about its hi-alt performance?
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #298 on: July 23, 2011, 10:25:40 AM »
Moot with that last post I think you win.
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Re: Ta 152
« Reply #299 on: July 23, 2011, 03:19:36 PM »
There's no practical reason in typical AH gameplay to expect someone who flies at 40 not to also fly at least as much at 30 where there's multiple times the combat density.

I think there is a certain member who believes that one can save fuel by flying that high in a p51.  :D
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