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Re: Photography
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 07:37:11 AM »
Ive noticed that the UV/Haze filters dont seem to work as well on digi as they did with film, not sure why :headscratch: polariser works great in some conditions, but you need to adjust it for each shot - its not a fit and forget filter.

for those aerial shots you should be shooting in RAW if at all possible (slightly underexposed) so you can squeeze every last bit of contrast out the image. if it was B&W film I'd say use an orange filter to deepen the sky's blue and provide contrast with clouds, but I really dont know how effective they are on digi (filters seem to effect film/CCDs in different ways.)


edit: this is what I use, the filter adapter/barrel stays on permanently and makes it much easier to hold :aok

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 12:56:40 PM »
Ive noticed that the UV/Haze filters dont seem to work as well on digi as they did with film, not sure why

I never thought they did much on film either, only reason I've ever used a UV filter is protection.

for those aerial shots you should be shooting in RAW if at all possible

I'm one that preaches you should ALWAYS shoot in RAW.  With RAW converters like Lightroom and Adobe Camera RAW, it's not really that much more work to shoot in RAW then JPEG, and YOU get to decide how the image should look, not the processor in your camera.


(slightly underexposed) so you can squeeze every last bit of contrast out the image.

I disagree.  What you say is **kinda** true with film (not really though, the best thing with film is to use a ND filter) but not digital.  With digital you should always try to "expose to the right", because the sensor gets the best signal/noise ratio that way.  When you intentionally underexpose you're just introducing unnecessary noise.  You can always just pull back the exposure or brightness a bit in post if you need too.  Here's a technical explanation of why,   Expose (to the) Right   it's an old article, and ETTR made a bigger difference on those early sensors, but it still holds true to a degree even today.

I almost always have at least +.3 of exposure compensation dialed in.  If I get a set that is to bright I just adjust one in LR and sync the rest, takes all of 8 seconds.  For best contrast with digital I just slide the "black" slider in LR up a bit, then play with the tone curve using the drag tool.  Remember shooting RAW is like cooking a meal, and JPEG is like ordering delivery.  The RAW file gives you all the ingredients for a great image, but you still need to "cook" it with some post processing.  Like I said earlier, it's not hard at all with modern software now.



But, I still stand by my early advice... The BEST thing you can do to make the BIGGEST improvement in your photos is to shoot at the right time of day.  You will never get fantastic photos shooting under the harsh mid-day sun.


 
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 04:19:36 PM »
I shoot for the best possible exposure all the time.  I don't believe in shooting over or under intentionally.

I do a lot (crapload) of little league sports action.  I'll come away from the ball fields after an evening of games with literally thousands of images.  Once I'm back to the office, I turn them so their orientation is correct and then remove about 1/2 of the images simply because the shots are repetitive, or for one reason or another I don't believe the image will sell.  Then I upload to my web site and sell them.

If I had to post produce each image, I would have to price myself completely out of the market or put a bullet in my head to make it all stop.

I say, learn your camera.  Pay attention to the lighting.  Do less after the fact.  Who do you think you are?  Ansel Adams?   :bolt:

Just my own personal rant about photographers who rely on tinkering after the fact instead of taking the image they want when they open the shutter.

Caveat:  There are occaisions when tinkering in post is necessary.  I'm just saying, try to learn to need it as little as humanly possible and you will be a better photographer.

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Re: Photography
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 05:56:11 PM »
I shoot for the best possible exposure all the time.  I don't believe in shooting over or under intentionally.

I do a lot (crapload) of little league sports action.  I'll come away from the ball fields after an evening of games with literally thousands of images.  Once I'm back to the office, I turn them so their orientation is correct and then remove about 1/2 of the images simply because the shots are repetitive, or for one reason or another I don't believe the image will sell.  Then I upload to my web site and sell them.

If I had to post produce each image, I would have to price myself completely out of the market or put a bullet in my head to make it all stop.

I say, learn your camera.  Pay attention to the lighting.  Do less after the fact.  Who do you think you are?  Ansel Adams?   :bolt:

Just my own personal rant about photographers who rely on tinkering after the fact instead of taking the image they want when they open the shutter.

Caveat:  There are occaisions when tinkering in post is necessary.  I'm just saying, try to learn to need it as little as humanly possible and you will be a better photographer.

Im not a photographer but I know who Ansel Adams is....I have used his work in some tatts Ive done.

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2011, 08:25:58 PM »
Im not a photographer but I know who Ansel Adams is....I have used his work in some tatts Ive done.

In the photography world, Ansel Adams was famous for his darkroom work more then his photography.  He would take a basically generic photograph and dodge and burn like crazy to make his amazing pictures.  He was a photoshop guy before there were computers, basically.

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2011, 09:20:08 PM »
I shoot for the best possible exposure all the time.  I don't believe in shooting over or under intentionally.

I do a lot (crapload) of little league sports action.  I'll come away from the ball fields after an evening of games with literally thousands of images.  Once I'm back to the office, I turn them so their orientation is correct and then remove about 1/2 of the images simply because the shots are repetitive, or for one reason or another I don't believe the image will sell.  Then I upload to my web site and sell them.

If I had to post produce each image, I would have to price myself completely out of the market or put a bullet in my head to make it all stop.

I say, learn your camera.  Pay attention to the lighting.  Do less after the fact.  Who do you think you are?  Ansel Adams?   :bolt:

Just my own personal rant about photographers who rely on tinkering after the fact instead of taking the image they want when they open the shutter.

Caveat:  There are occaisions when tinkering in post is necessary.  I'm just saying, try to learn to need it as little as humanly possible and you will be a better photographer.

You misunderstand me, I'm not talking about overexposing.  The idea is just to keep most of the peaks towards the rights on the histogram (not off it), as the farther left they are the more noise you get.  This is critical for some situations I shoot, like at an indoor rodeo.  I can't get close enough to use a flashgun, (the dust in the air just makes haze)  and they won't let me set up a remote light in the arena.  So I end up shooting at ISO 1600, and if I can keep the histogram peaks more to the right side, I end up with much less noise in the images.

Like you say learn your camera, the +.3 or +.5 exposure compensation gets the exposure usually right on my cameras center-weighted meter.  If I'm using spot meter, it's usually dead on without any compensation.

As for post processing, I try to do as little as possible as well.  It depends on the situation though, for hobby photography (what the OP is talking about, and is landscapes and wildlife for me) I will spend a bit more time in post striving for perfection just cause I can.

However I do sports (for $$) as well, and I do very little post with them like you mentioned.  I still shoot RAW though, I scan through them in LR, throw out the rejects, then usually use a sharpening preset, contrast preset, and a color preset (depends on the lens) (and maybe a noise filter depending on the ISO) on the whole lot.   I shoot a youth rodeo last weekend, came back with about 500 pictures, parred that down to nearer 400, and it took me all of 20 minutes to process them, then I just click export and walk away while LR makes the JPEGs, and uploads them to my site.

I also do the occasional wedding, or family event, and for those I DO take more time in post, I don't neccesarily change much, I just want to make sure everyone is as good as it can be  .  I'm very much a perfectionist when it comes to family pictures that people pay me good money for, and will be hanging on their wall for years to come.
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 09:38:39 PM »
Also this:

I turn them so their orientation is correct .

I'm shocked  :huh to learn that your Canon doesn't record the image orientation when you release the shutter.  That's a feature found on $100 p&s cameras, how come Canon doesn't have it on their flagship model?!?  :huh

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2011, 09:48:51 PM »
Also this:

I'm shocked  :huh to learn that your Canon doesn't record the image orientation when you release the shutter.  That's a feature found on $100 p&s cameras, how come Canon doesn't have it on their flagship model?!?  :huh

You would think...  But on my EOS-1D Mark III, when I dump the card to my computer, all of my vertical shots need a turn 90 degrees counter clockwise.  It's still the industry standard camera for professional sports photography though.  Ya I said it all you Nikon weenies!  Suck it!   :rofl

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2011, 09:53:19 PM »
You misunderstand me, I'm not talking about overexposing.  The idea is just to keep most of the peaks towards the rights on the histogram (not off it), as the farther left they are the more noise you get.  This is critical for some situations I shoot, like at an indoor rodeo.  I can't get close enough to use a flashgun, (the dust in the air just makes haze)  and they won't let me set up a remote light in the arena.  So I end up shooting at ISO 1600, and if I can keep the histogram peaks more to the right side, I end up with much less noise in the images.

Like you say learn your camera, the +.3 or +.5 exposure compensation gets the exposure usually right on my cameras center-weighted meter.  If I'm using spot meter, it's usually dead on without any compensation.

As for post processing, I try to do as little as possible as well.  It depends on the situation though, for hobby photography (what the OP is talking about, and is landscapes and wildlife for me) I will spend a bit more time in post striving for perfection just cause I can.

However I do sports (for $$) as well, and I do very little post with them like you mentioned.  I still shoot RAW though, I scan through them in LR, throw out the rejects, then usually use a sharpening preset, contrast preset, and a color preset (depends on the lens) (and maybe a noise filter depending on the ISO) on the whole lot.   I shoot a youth rodeo last weekend, came back with about 500 pictures, parred that down to nearer 400, and it took me all of 20 minutes to process them, then I just click export and walk away while LR makes the JPEGs, and uploads them to my site.

I also do the occasional wedding, or family event, and for those I DO take more time in post, I don't neccesarily change much, I just want to make sure everyone is as good as it can be  .  I'm very much a perfectionist when it comes to family pictures that people pay me good money for, and will be hanging on their wall for years to come.

Yup, we're pretty much on the same page.  Do you post your sports images up to a web site for sale?  If not, send me a PM.  I can point you toward the best hosting/slash processing set up in the industry.  I sell prints off of my web site, but I never actually touch a customer order.  Really good stuff, you'd love it. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 10:00:19 PM »
Yup, we're pretty much on the same page.  Do you post your sports images up to a web site for sale?  If not, send me a PM.  I can point you toward the best hosting/slash processing set up in the industry.  I sell prints off of my web site, but I never actually touch a customer order.  Really good stuff, you'd love it. 

Yea, I have a Smugmug Pro account, using Bay Photo for prints.  I'm pleased overall with Smugmug, just have a couple small complaints about their interface, sometimes it takes me too long to remember how to do stuff like move galleries around and save pricing setups.  But that is probably my own computer illiteracy coming out.

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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 10:48:56 PM »
Yea, I have a Smugmug Pro account, using Bay Photo for prints.  I'm pleased overall with Smugmug, just have a couple small complaints about their interface, sometimes it takes me too long to remember how to do stuff like move galleries around and save pricing setups.  But that is probably my own computer illiteracy coming out.

Take a look at WD Web, their software is really well done.  PM me if you're interested and I'll give you more info.  I have used it for major events where I am uploading and selling 30k images after a weekend event.  I have yet to find anything that even comes close to it.  On the flip side, why change if you like what you currently have...
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 11:36:15 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2011, 02:59:15 AM »
In the photography world, Ansel Adams was famous for his darkroom work more then his photography.  He would take a basically generic photograph and dodge and burn like crazy to make his amazing pictures.  He was a photoshop guy before there were computers, basically.

no doubt didn't know that, I got a book of his trees and that's were I have used his work from.

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2011, 02:28:45 PM »
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Milky Way's Edge (Took this one last night) Single 5 Min. 30 Sec exposure  ISO1600


Cousin Cooper and a diry face


Da Moon


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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2011, 05:06:30 PM »
How did you get that moon shot? :O You must have had a lens as long as your arm!

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