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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2011, 07:20:09 PM »
Pansy  :neener:

Just so you know how I feel about camping.   I've spent 7 summers as a full time backpacking guide, 2 in Yellowstone/Tetons, and 5 in the Wind Rivers.  

You said you had a bathroom across the street, electric power to your tent, a cell phone, and DVD player, and an XBOX  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  THAT IS NOT CAMPING!!!  

Camping is when you leave all that crap behind, carry just what you need on your back, get as far from civilization as possible, and (re)connect with nature.

Anywaysss, here's a tip for next time.   When you see a storm coming, and you have a cheap tent that can't stand up to wind, just take the poles out of the pockets to drop it, and throw some heavy rocks on the corners.  It won't catch the wind, and won't blow away.   If you do a lot of camping you will quickly realize the value of a good tent that can stand up to storms.
There was a center building with a few picnic tables with outlets, we ran extension cords into our tents. They brought a projection screen to watch movies but some of the kids brought their consoles. I just wanted to watch a movie in bed and take pictures of the air museum to post on here(which I got but i'm to tired to even mess with that). And my parents wanted me to call them periodically. The tent I was staying in was a 6 person tent, bout 140 bucks at target(camp supplied tents) had 4 guys in there with all their gear so it sort of weighed it down.

On that note we didn't see a storm any bigger than the night before with a bit of lightning and no less than a sprinkle. Our area had a 30% chance of scattered thunderstorms until 3 (like I said) We didn't have time to do anything except run for cover. We had no idea anything was going to happened because we checked the weather every 30 minutes and nothing changed.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2011, 07:20:37 PM »
IMO, camping doesn't "turn into" a disaster. It's a disaster from the beginning.

Only if your an incompetent fool that has no clue what their doing, or else just a wimp afraid of a little physical exertion.  With the right knowledge, gear, preparation (and most important ATTITUDE) it is a most enjoyable experience even for beginners.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2011, 07:25:19 PM »
Only if your an incompetent fool that has no clue what their doing, or else just a wimp afraid of a little physical exertion.  With the right knowledge, gear, preparation (and most important ATTITUDE) it is a most enjoyable experience even for beginners.
I had a very positive attitude when I went, No problems at all I was having alot of fun swimming in the lake and riding bikes on the trails and hiking in the morning. And the air museum with all the world war II planes was amazing. I touched the wing of a B29  :noid
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2011, 07:26:01 PM »
There was a center building with a few picnic tables with outlets, we ran extension cords into our tents. They brought a projection screen to watch movies but some of the kids brought their consoles. I just wanted to watch a movie in bed and take pictures of the air museum to post on here(which I got but i'm to tired to even mess with that). And my parents wanted me to call them periodically. The tent I was staying in was a 6 person tent, bout 140 bucks at target(camp supplied tents) had 4 guys in there with all their gear so it sort of weighed it down.

On that note we didn't see a storm any bigger than the night before with a bit of lightning and no less than a sprinkle. Our area had a 30% chance of scattered thunderstorms until 3 (like I said) We didn't have time to do anything except run for cover. We had no idea anything was going to happened because we checked the weather every 30 minutes and nothing changed.

OK,  :lol the more you describe it the less like camping it sounds.  Sounds a lot more like a resort vacation to me, did you have a spa too?


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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2011, 07:26:12 PM »
You said you had a bathroom across the street, electric power to your tent, a cell phone, and DVD player, and an XBOX  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  THAT IS NOT CAMPING!!!  

Camping is when you leave all that crap behind, carry just what you need on your back, get as far from civilization as possible, and (re)connect with nature.


QFT...

Try it again RaptorDude.  It'll grow on you.

I think it's practically child abuse to allow kids to grow up without learning the basics of taking care of themselves outdoors, away from immediate contact with civilization.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2011, 07:27:34 PM »
I had a very positive attitude when I went, No problems at all I was having alot of fun swimming in the lake and riding bikes on the trails and hiking in the morning. And the air museum with all the world war II planes was amazing. I touched the wing of a B29  :noid

Glad you had fun.

Sounds like a great vacation, the kind I'd enjoy very much.  Just saying; it ain't camping.  Not to me anyway.

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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2011, 07:29:41 PM »
Only if your an incompetent fool that has no clue what their doing.  With the right knowledge, gear and preparation it is a most enjoyable experience even for beginners.

yep i agree, ive been camping since i was 7 with my parents they would get all there friends together and we would head up to the Mount Rainer area by Packwood or Morton, no power the water came from the freezing cold rivers we slept in Military Canvas tents, cooked by Fire or camping stove that was back in the 60's then as soon as made it to high school i started camping with my school mates and friends, we were really into backpack camping back then MRE's dried everything.  lol now im 51 but i still rough camp in a tent i just get there by Boat now lol  
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2011, 07:30:56 PM »
Camping is always a great experience. If the weather is good you'll have fun, if the weather is bad it's a challenge to be faced. I went on backpacking trips once or twice a month for maybe five years while I was a Boy Scout. Now if we ever met weather like 60mph winds we'd probably have to call it, but otherwise rain or shine we'd finish the trek and share the experience.

Summer Camp is always pretty neat, but I highly recommend finding a Troop that knows their outdoors, you'll learn a lot and the friends you make in the BSA will always be better than the ones you meet at school.

Agreed...

I got a ton out of the scouts (earned my Eagle back in '89).  Our troop was very active in camping as well.  Camping once/month September through May, regardless of weather.  In the summer we did summer camp and canoe trips in the Boundary Waters CA.

I ended up working as camp staff at the summer camp for 7 years after I earned my Eagle (where I met my wife), and volunteered there for another 15 (helping out with the blacksmith shop, living history village, and black powder rifles)...
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2011, 07:33:37 PM »
What I REALLY enjoy is primitive camping...  No matches, lighters, nylon, foam...  All pre-1840's equipment.  It's especially fun if you can do it in the fall/winter and pair it with muzzleloader hunting.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2011, 07:53:02 PM »
What I REALLY enjoy is primitive camping...  No matches, lighters, nylon, foam...  All pre-1840's equipment.  It's especially fun if you can do it in the fall/winter and pair it with muzzleloader hunting.

Yea, I did a 3 1/2 week survival course in the southern UT desert a couple years back.  No backpacks, just a canvas roll and manila rope.   No tents, no fire starters, no freeze dried meals, no stoves, no utensils, no sleeping pads, not even knifes allowed.  Covering at least 8 miles a day through the endless sand, sagebrush and junipers.

It was definitely different then what I'm used to, with the best modern backpacking gear money can buy.  But a worthwhile experience.  Learned to roll, and carry a canvas pack on my back with rope (not as comfortable as my normal pack is an understatement).    Learned to make a bow/drill set with rock tools, and used it to start fires.  Learned to cook flour cakes on the coals (they're not bad with some honey) and to enjoy rice and beans.  Learned to trap rabbits with snares, and deadfalls.  Made our own individual shelters every night using our pack canvas and rope, or juniper branches to make a lean-to.    Made a doeskin medicine pouch with bone needles and sinew, had a sage ceremony in a kiva.  All a very cool experience.  Sure makes me appreciate how easy and convenient modern gear makes the whole experience.

PS. My 7 years of backcountry guiding was with BSA High Adventure camps too.  Camp Loll right below Yellowstone, and Camp New Fork in the Wind Rivers.  It's fun to see these city kids who think they HATE backpacking and are going to have a miserable experience.  They usually start being miserable (like I said it's about attitude) but if their open minded, they will admit by the end of the week that it was a pretty awesome experience, and they had fun.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2011, 08:00:05 PM »
You gentlemen been to Philmont? I've got some old pics for when I went with my dad back when.

I think Philmont is the perfect balance of "Summer Camp" vs "Backpacking", lots of activites to do at the various sites and the trails are great, at least scenery-wise.

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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2011, 08:08:27 PM »
You gentlemen been to Philmont? I've got some old pics for when I went with my dad back when.

I think Philmont is the perfect balance of "Summer Camp" vs "Backpacking", lots of activites to do at the various sites and the trails are great, at least scenery-wise.

Went there once for National Camp School training (for COPE).  Spent most of the time in a classroom or on the ropes course.

Never been there as a scout or employee, or been on any of the trails.

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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2011, 08:14:46 PM »
You gentlemen been to Philmont? I've got some old pics for when I went with my dad back when.

I think Philmont is the perfect balance of "Summer Camp" vs "Backpacking", lots of activites to do at the various sites and the trails are great, at least scenery-wise.

I never made it out to Philmont.  I could have, but in the end I always decided canoeing was a better option for me.  Of course, now, I kind of wish I'd have tried it.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2011, 08:16:39 PM »
Went there once for National Camp School training (for COPE).  Spent most of the time in a classroom or on the ropes course.

Never been there as a scout or employee, or been on any of the trails.

COPE?!  I was a COPE Director for three years before I turned into a volunteer (still working on the course, inspections and improvements, etc).  I loved the ropes course.
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Re: Camping turned into a disaster
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2011, 08:21:30 PM »
Yea, I did a 3 1/2 week survival course in the southern UT desert a couple years back.  No backpacks, just a canvas roll and manila rope.   No tents, no fire starters, no freeze dried meals, no stoves, no utensils, no sleeping pads, not even knifes allowed.  Covering at least 8 miles a day through the endless sand, sagebrush and junipers.

It was definitely different then what I'm used to, with the best modern backpacking gear money can buy.  But a worthwhile experience.  Learned to roll, and carry a canvas pack on my back with rope (not as comfortable as my normal pack is an understatement).    Learned to make a bow/drill set with rock tools, and used it to start fires.  Learned to cook flour cakes on the coals (they're not bad with some honey) and to enjoy rice and beans.  Learned to trap rabbits with snares, and deadfalls.  Made our own individual shelters every night using our pack canvas and rope, or juniper branches to make a lean-to.    Made a doeskin medicine pouch with bone needles and sinew, had a sage ceremony in a kiva.  All a very cool experience.  Sure makes me appreciate how easy and convenient modern gear makes the whole experience.

PS. My 7 years of backcountry guiding was with BSA High Adventure camps too.  Camp Loll right below Yellowstone, and Camp New Fork in the Wind Rivers.  It's fun to see these city kids who think they HATE backpacking and are going to have a miserable experience.  They usually start being miserable (like I said it's about attitude) but if their open minded, they will admit by the end of the week that it was a pretty awesome experience, and they had fun.

I'm seriously jealous of your time in the Yellowstone and Wind River areas.  I've been to both areas several times, but could never stay for long.  I did a lot of camping, hunting and fishing while in college in the Missoula, MT area, and most years I get out to do some elk, mule deer or antelope hunting/camping in CO or WY (Bighorns).  Unfortunately, after college I came back to WI to get married and drag my wife back out west.  She's been dragging her feet for almost 18 years though.  Now that she's willing to head out there In stuck in my job with the kids in middle and high school, and in no shape financially to get the heck outta here...
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