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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2011, 11:46:57 PM »
I hate what jake and josh have become, more jake, just saddening. I don't think derrick did anything wrong, it was his ship now. It had to ran his way, I also don't think he talked trash about phil, off camera who knows.

Derek made the comment that Phil failed to teach the boys anything. More than once.

Further, Jake and Josh are now part owners in the boat, they hired Derek to be a captain, and he did not produce, he blamed the crew for the failure to produce, but he was the one that decided where to set the pots. He was so busy trying to bust Jake (who tested clean for opi season) that he forgot to run the boat. Since the Harris boys and Mrs Devlin hired Derek to be the captain, and he didn't run the boat, or catch crab, he didn't do anything right. It was Derek and his antics who ran Freddie off the boat, his BS was the last straw.

By no means are Jake and Josh without fault, but Derek did a lousy job, and looked for a scapegoat when he couldn't produce. Jake and Josh are part owners now, so the captain works for them. If a guy I hired talked to me, and about my father, the way Derek did, I'd fire him in a heartbeat, especially if he didn't produce. He didn't catch 30K pounds of crab in 3 weeks, at the cost of $160K.
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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2011, 12:43:07 AM »
"deadliest catch without the crabs,almost outta gas-call the A-rabs"


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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2011, 07:09:53 AM »
Derek made the comment that Phil failed to teach the boys anything. More than once.

Further, Jake and Josh are now part owners in the boat, they hired Derek to be a captain, and he did not produce, he blamed the crew for the failure to produce, but he was the one that decided where to set the pots. He was so busy trying to bust Jake (who tested clean for opi season) that he forgot to run the boat. Since the Harris boys and Mrs Devlin hired Derek to be the captain, and he didn't run the boat, or catch crab, he didn't do anything right. It was Derek and his antics who ran Freddie off the boat, his BS was the last straw.

By no means are Jake and Josh without fault, but Derek did a lousy job, and looked for a scapegoat when he couldn't produce. Jake and Josh are part owners now, so the captain works for them. If a guy I hired talked to me, and about my father, the way Derek did, I'd fire him in a heartbeat, especially if he didn't produce. He didn't catch 30K pounds of crab in 3 weeks, at the cost of $160K.

So what your saying is that the entire crew can talk as much trash about the captain, not be responsible for the captain, and bring drugs onto the boat. They were also blue crab fishing, IIRC everyone was struggling to get the large amounts of blue crab. I also do not see how saying their father did a huge injustice means talking trash, maybe we have different definitions of that, Phil and Derek were friends for a long time, close friends from what I could tell from After the Catch. It was time for Freddie to move on, how do you know that he wasn't tired of Jake and Josh's antics?

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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2011, 07:30:31 AM »
lol who needs discovery we have these forums <S>

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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2011, 09:02:14 AM »
So what your saying is that the entire crew can talk as much trash about the captain, not be responsible for the captain, and bring drugs onto the boat. They were also blue crab fishing, IIRC everyone was struggling to get the large amounts of blue crab. I also do not see how saying their father did a huge injustice means talking trash, maybe we have different definitions of that, Phil and Derek were friends for a long time, close friends from what I could tell from After the Catch. It was time for Freddie to move on, how do you know that he wasn't tired of Jake and Josh's antics?



Derek didn't catch enough blue king crab to buy fuel, in three weeks. He didn't produce, period, plain and simple. He blamed the crew, when he called the pot location. Derek was too busy trying to play "pot police" (I hate pot, by the way, more than 90% of people you'll ever meet, it has no place anywhere, never mind on a working boat) to try to catch crab. He failed to catch crab. Sorry, 10K pounds of crab a week ain't getting it done. Three weeks, and he didn't make enough money to buy diesel, and buy groceries, the crew didn't get paid at all, and the boat lost money. He wasn't struggling to catch large amounts, he wasn't catching anything at all, the guy never pulled a string of double digit pots. He came on a top five boat, and didn't catch crab. He blamed everyone but Derek. The 29 year old green horn captain caught blue king crab, but Derek didn't. That's called failure to produce. So no, everyone fishing for blue king crab didn't fail to produce, apparently, no one failed as bad as Derek.

The crew is not responsible for the captain, it's the captain's responsibility to catch crab, and keep the boat safe. The crew has the responsibility to follow orders. They set pots when and where he said, they pulled pots when he said. The pots were empty. Derek wasn't man enough to accept responsibility for all the empty pots, he had to go on a witch hunt instead of running the boat. Derek wasn't the one who put out $160K to go crab fishing, the Harris boys and Mrs Devlin did, apparently it was mostly the Harris boys, maybe the last of their money.

You don't fail to produce, and then scream at the guys who hired you, and expect to keep your job and, have respect. And you don't demand respect, you earn respect. Pushing people around, bad mouthing people, and failing to produce won't earn you respect or cooperation. Regardless of what he as done before, Derek was a total failure on that trip, and refused to accept any of the blame.
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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2011, 04:15:24 PM »
They quit fishing after like 8 days... not 3 weeks. Phil didn't catch any crab for two full weeks before and there was no mutiny. Being a captain isn't about respect in the sense you are refering too... same as a soldier in basic, but you damn sure better do any and everything they say. It HAS to be like that. It isn't a democracy. I didn't respect my drill Sgts... I thought they were dicks and that was their job... but I damn sure did everything they told me.

It is a bit of a no-win situation to have two crew members be part owners of the boat and part-hire the captain (though I doubt they even gave their opinion on the matter)

Derrick was a bit harsh with his comments about Phil I think.

Bottom line though... reality TV doesn't show reality... it shows bits and pieces and they look at everything they have and decide one storyline they are going to show... then look for the snippets that reinforce that. 

Couple of articles from Derrick's perspective.

http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2011/05/seaside_captain_faces_a_mutiny.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2011/05/deadliest_catch_captain_derric.html

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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2011, 01:24:38 AM »
Derek didn't catch enough blue king crab to buy fuel, in three weeks. He didn't produce, period, plain and simple. He blamed the crew, when he called the pot location. Derek was too busy trying to play "pot police" (I hate pot, by the way, more than 90% of people you'll ever meet, it has no place anywhere, never mind on a working boat) to try to catch crab. He failed to catch crab. Sorry, 10K pounds of crab a week ain't getting it done. Three weeks, and he didn't make enough money to buy diesel, and buy groceries, the crew didn't get paid at all, and the boat lost money. He wasn't struggling to catch large amounts, he wasn't catching anything at all, the guy never pulled a string of double digit pots. He came on a top five boat, and didn't catch crab. He blamed everyone but Derek. The 29 year old green horn captain caught blue king crab, but Derek didn't. That's called failure to produce. So no, everyone fishing for blue king crab didn't fail to produce, apparently, no one failed as bad as Derek.

The crew is not responsible for the captain, it's the captain's responsibility to catch crab, and keep the boat safe. The crew has the responsibility to follow orders. They set pots when and where he said, they pulled pots when he said. The pots were empty. Derek wasn't man enough to accept responsibility for all the empty pots, he had to go on a witch hunt instead of running the boat. Derek wasn't the one who put out $160K to go crab fishing, the Harris boys and Mrs Devlin did, apparently it was mostly the Harris boys, maybe the last of their money.

You don't fail to produce, and then scream at the guys who hired you, and expect to keep your job and, have respect. And you don't demand respect, you earn respect. Pushing people around, bad mouthing people, and failing to produce won't earn you respect or cooperation. Regardless of what he as done before, Derek was a total failure on that trip, and refused to accept any of the blame.
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Re: Deadliest Catch
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2011, 01:39:55 AM »
Derek didn't catch enough blue king crab to buy fuel, in three weeks. He didn't produce, period, plain and simple. He blamed the crew, when he called the pot location. Derek was too busy trying to play "pot police" (I hate pot, by the way, more than 90% of people you'll ever meet, it has no place anywhere, never mind on a working boat) to try to catch crab. He failed to catch crab. Sorry, 10K pounds of crab a week ain't getting it done. Three weeks, and he didn't make enough money to buy diesel, and buy groceries, the crew didn't get paid at all, and the boat lost money. He wasn't struggling to catch large amounts, he wasn't catching anything at all, the guy never pulled a string of double digit pots. He came on a top five boat, and didn't catch crab. He blamed everyone but Derek. The 29 year old green horn captain caught blue king crab, but Derek didn't. That's called failure to produce. So no, everyone fishing for blue king crab didn't fail to produce, apparently, no one failed as bad as Derek.

The crew is not responsible for the captain, it's the captain's responsibility to catch crab, and keep the boat safe. The crew has the responsibility to follow orders. They set pots when and where he said, they pulled pots when he said. The pots were empty. Derek wasn't man enough to accept responsibility for all the empty pots, he had to go on a witch hunt instead of running the boat. Derek wasn't the one who put out $160K to go crab fishing, the Harris boys and Mrs Devlin did, apparently it was mostly the Harris boys, maybe the last of their money.

You don't fail to produce, and then scream at the guys who hired you, and expect to keep your job and, have respect. And you don't demand respect, you earn respect. Pushing people around, bad mouthing people, and failing to produce won't earn you respect or cooperation. Regardless of what he as done before, Derek was a total failure on that trip, and refused to accept any of the blame.


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