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Offline oakranger

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Fly Fishing.
« on: July 01, 2011, 10:04:10 PM »
Anybody on the BBS fly fish?
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Re: Fly Fishing.
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2011, 11:26:55 PM »
I fly fish for smallmouth, largemouth, rock bass, and recently steelhead and muskie. I spend about a 50/50 split between fly fishing and using a normal spinning rod. If I'm on a pond or lake I'd much rather have a normal rod, but I wouldn't spend time on a river or stream without my fly rod.

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Re: Fly Fishing.
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 11:32:59 PM »
I fly fish for smallmouth, largemouth, rock bass, and recently steelhead and muskie. I spend about a 50/50 split between fly fishing and using a normal spinning rod. If I'm on a pond or lake I'd much rather have a normal rod, but I wouldn't spend time on a river or stream without my fly rod.

Oh good. Question. What is the difference between a leader and tippet?
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Re: Fly Fishing.
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2011, 11:55:07 PM »
Oh good. Question. What is the difference between a leader and tippet?

The leader is tapered mono; either a single piece or gradually smaller/lighter diameter sections tied together (it depends on what you're fishing for, and what type of flies you're using to some extent).  I prefer a single-piece tapered leader for salmon, trout, and panfish.  The taper helps lay the leader and fly out nicely in gentle S-curves (important for dries, and it helps wets sink too).  The end of the leader is actually parallel, and can be used without a tippet if desired.

The problem with not using a tippet is that as you clip the end of the leader off to change flies etc, you eventually run out of the parallel material and end up on the taper, which gets progressively thicker and doesn't lay out as nicely on a cast (and since it's getting heavier, it's getting easier for finicky fish to detect).

The tippet is a small-diameter parallel mono (not tapered).  You tie a few feet of it on the end of your leader so that as you clip off pieces to change flies you aren't shortening/wasting your leader.  When the tippet gets short you replace it, but have only made one cut against the leader for 20-30 fly changes.  Your leader lasts MUCH longer that way.

Replacing the tippet is much easier and cheaper than replacing the leader.  Using smaller diameter tippet allows you to play with the overall taper as well.  The overall length of leader/tippet matters too.  Too long and it'll cast bad and tangle/wind knot easily.  Too short and you'll probably spook fish.

The knot you use to tie your tippet to the leader is absolutely critical.  It MUST be tied well, or it'll be your weak link and snap when a decent fish hits.  I like blood knots, moistened with saliva, but there are other options too.
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Re: Fly Fishing.
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2011, 12:00:18 AM »
I see.  Now as far as size of line next to the fly size, do you take 3 divied the size of the fly?
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Re: Fly Fishing.
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2011, 09:57:04 AM »
I see.  Now as far as size of line next to the fly size, do you take 3 divied the size of the fly?

Agads!  Math!?!?!  In fishing?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Just print a chart (or save one that comes with your tippet or leader).

http://hipwader.com/2003/tippet-to-fly-size-chart

Some tippet-to-fly sizing is easy, since that big ol' 3# tippet won't squeeze through the eye of the hook, lol!

Tippets are measured/talked about as "6X" rather than "3#" for the most part.  Taking the tippet and multiplying by three gets you close on your fly size.  Taking the fly and dividing by three gets you close when selecting your tippet.

The tippet is also limited by the choice of leader you've made, which also ties back to the line and rod selection you've made.  Fly equipment is a balanced "unit" to a greater extent than spinning equipment.  To have the ability to efficiently use a variety of flies, you often end up with a variety of fly rods, with a variety of reels, holding a variety of lines, etc...  

It's not what I'd recommend to someone starting out (due to the expense) but I like to have a few reels set up for any one of my rods.  That way I can reel in, swap the reel, and be fishing with a totally different set-up in minutes.  Floating lines, sinking lines, swapping from panfish flies to top-water bass bugs or large streamers for northern or muskie, etc...  I do use the same equipment for trout, but I set my rod up different.  You can be a lot more "sloppy" with panfish.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2011, 10:09:00 AM by mtnman »
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Re: Fly Fishing.
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 07:06:34 PM »
Agads!  Math!?!?!  In fishing?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Just print a chart (or save one that comes with your tippet or leader).

http://hipwader.com/2003/tippet-to-fly-size-chart
This chart will help, just what i need.  Thanks!    :salute

Some tippet-to-fly sizing is easy, since that big ol' 3# tippet won't squeeze through the eye of the hook, lol!

Tippets are measured/talked about as "6X" rather than "3#" for the most part.  Taking the tippet and multiplying by three gets you close on your fly size.  Taking the fly and dividing by three gets you close when selecting your tippet.

The tippet is also limited by the choice of leader you've made, which also ties back to the line and rod selection you've made.  Fly equipment is a balanced "unit" to a greater extent than spinning equipment.  To have the ability to efficiently use a variety of flies, you often end up with a variety of fly rods, with a variety of reels, holding a variety of lines, etc...  

It's not what I'd recommend to someone starting out (due to the expense) but I like to have a few reels set up for any one of my rods.  That way I can reel in, swap the reel, and be fishing with a totally different set-up in minutes.  Floating lines, sinking lines, swapping from panfish flies to top-water bass bugs or large streamers for northern or muskie, etc...  I do use the same equipment for trout, but I set my rod up different.  You can be a lot more "sloppy" with panfish.


I started fly fishing about 12 years ago. Learn from trial and error, just a few things I am still learning. Been fly tying for the last five years and love it.
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