more then just check six call

[Raphael]

Gyrene, thats why Im saying that it would be simple and not to point out a specific plane or anything that could make the code a head ache for the programers. for those who like to abuse from the voice commands you could just map a button "squelch last comunicator" or something like that wich would cause to squelch the last person that sent you that message wich is pretty much a pm or a .r with audio in it, the custom sounds would work for yout sound just like when you download a custom check six call only you hear that kind of customization!

now as for the moving the PC, i dont have a big ethernet wire so the pc stays in the office wich is on the side of my sister's room and she came here for the vacation and is leaving tomorrow. So there are cases and cases as for the "WHY" people would like such setting and well, i came up with the idea because of a need. and because i made a noob mistake at the same time

I don't know about complicated responses such as certain airplane just went down, what i had in mind were a few simple commands for basic comunication. maybe only difference of "figther" and "bomber"...

[gyrene81]

muzik, if i were you i wouldn't point a stinky finger at anyone but myself...you must be tired of smelling it yourself and want to try spreading it around. the things you consider "good ideas" and easily accomplished are far from the reality. the existing check 6 call works well only because of the way it's designed to work, between 2 people with a corresponding text message. thinking it's a good idea to incorporate a function that works like the check 6 call to the range vox system, especially something like a "tally ho" or "armor at this location" that everyone within icon range will be subjected to is ridiculously stupid. range gets mucky enough in a crowd and it's there to avoid the need for more system message commands. nice try but you fail, again.

Gyrene, thats why Im saying that it would be simple and not to point out a specific plane or anything that could make the code a head ache for the programers. for those who like to abuse from the voice commands you could just map a button "squelch last comunicator" or something like that wich would cause to squelch the last person that sent you that message wich is pretty much a pm or a .r with audio in it, the custom sounds would work for yout sound just like when you download a custom check six call only you hear that kind of customization!

now as for the moving the PC, i dont have a big ethernet wire so the pc stays in the office wich is on the side of my sister's room and she came here for the vacation and is leaving tomorrow. So there are cases and cases as for the "WHY" people would like such setting and well, i came up with the idea because of a need. and because i made a noob mistake at the same time

i can see where you would have a bit of a problem trying to use vox. is the "office" in the same room as where you're sister was trying to sleep?

some messages are useful, others aren't. something like "you are clear" or "roger the check 6" could be useful especially if it worked as a .r command and like the check 6 call, between 2 people.

your op was obviously due to your frustration from a text miscommunication between yourself and another player, caused by a nuance of the text communication system that you didn't realize. considering the amount of information that could or should be communicated, think about what you were trying to tell the other player and how complex it could get. just an example, you're flying over a base, you spot an enemy tank a thousand yards away from the base hiding in the trees, you hit a button or key that sends a message announcing "enemy armor" to everyone within icon range. someone who uses vox says, "where, is it a tank or something else?". what do you do next? the simplicity of the system you are now talking about would not allow for any further elaboration without using vox or having the same situation occur when you try to type the response out in the text buffer. to be truly useful, the system has to either be purposely simplistic like the check 6 command or very complex in order to actually communicate with others without using vox.

[Raphael]

the office is next to her bedroom, and tehre is a window between both.

well but you gotta remember my wish is for simple comunication, if i could (just like the check six click until you find the person you want the .p to go to) send a message that said "yes sir" as soon as he asked me to strafe the enemy this would be all ok or even better if (with the same system) i could say "enemy down" man! that would just be perfect. I'm asking for other comunication ideas to be posted but i ask to keep it simple and generic. most would be more response.

The ones i have (using the very same system we currently have):
Yes sir               Bombs away
No sir                My mark
Enemy down       RTB
Low bombers      Requesting supplies
High bombers     
Low figthers
High figthers

[Raphael]

Just making it clear here, it is for simple quick comunication. just like the check six.

[muzik]

i wouldn't point a stinky finger at anyone but myself

I think that says it all right there. Did you ever drop a grenade in your foxhole?

[gyrene81]

Just making it clear here, it is for simple quick comunication. just like the check six.

i understand raph. just playing devil's advocate here for a minute to show you how this could go...

high/low bombers/fighters - let's separate the singular from the plural for those times when there is only 1, which is quite often - high/low bomber/fighter as well. you now have 8 separate functions instead of just 4. someone asks where in relation to your position? now you have to reply with a clock position. what started out as 4 simple functions is now 16 minimum. the numeric keypad has numbers 0 thru 9, where would 11 and 12 come from? what about those who use laptops without a separate numeric keypad?

requesting supplies - what is your location? you're going to have to type or say something on vox to elaborate and have your request fulfilled.

my mark - could be useful for missions or something like that but what mark? are you marking something or asking someone to do something on your command? are you going to type something, say it on vox or hit another key to convey what you want done on your mark? there is a good list of commands that could be given, dive, drop, fire, turn (left/right), climb, take off, compass heading, etc...


have you looked in the game at what keys perform what functions? if it was optional (which it should be) to allow someone to change a key function for your message system, just your short list is giving up 11 keyboard functions to send messages. what keyboard functions would you be willing to give up in order to have just what you listed?

[Raphael]

darn it looks like ill have to buy 2 new keyboards!

ok then ill bring my wish to the very basic since your point is really serious and i really got no response for these problems.

Yes sir
No sir
RTB
enemy down (no need to specify, imagine a tanker asking you "is that panzer still there?")
Bombs away

[Scotty55OEFVet]

which brings back to the reason he posted the wish to begin with.  he's talking about people not reading the text buffer. so then why bother with the extra messages? 

semp

He brought it up because he thought I wasnt reading the buffer, when in fact I was reading country and he had typed it on range. I was in a GV from a V base and he upped from an Airfield. Thus, I never saw his text cuz I wasnt from same field. I get what he means. Maybe say when within 6k all "range" chatter should be in purple instead of just from base you left. U may have 3 different GV spawns into an NME Base as well as guys from 6 different AF's.

[guncrasher]

the office is next to her bedroom, and tehre is a window between both.

well but you gotta remember my wish is for simple comunication, if i could (just like the check six click until you find the person you want the .p to go to) send a message that said "yes sir" as soon as he asked me to strafe the enemy this would be all ok or even better if (with the same system) i could say "enemy down" man! that would just be perfect. I'm asking for other comunication ideas to be posted but i ask to keep it simple and generic. most would be more response.

The ones i have (using the very same system we currently have):
Yes sir               Bombs away
No sir                My mark
Enemy down       RTB
Low bombers      Requesting supplies
High bombers     
Low figthers
High figthers

Raphael i totally understand why you are asking even if you are not really telling us the real reason.  but some of those messages are unnecessary and will further spam the chat line.  low bombers typed on range without further info is mostly useless information to many people around you.  because they dont know where you are.  if you say it on vox, they will see your location highlighted on the map.

perhaps you dont understand that when you type something on range it travels a long way.  people from more than 6k will see that info and get confused.  typing on range "fighter diving on base"  can be seen as far away as another base sometimes.  and people will look around for that plane that is not there.  that's why it's more important to type "fighter diving on 203" because you never know how far that info travel.  vox is limited to 6k I believe, typing on range is not.

smep

[Raphael]

thats why my wish is to work just like the check six! muzik is talking about getting with everyone in range, im talking about pm and i see that there is a pretty big fail with my first set of commands, wich is why i sent the last, a simple one.

I don't have the problem anymore but i don't see the complication or a reason not to get yes, no, rtb and enemy down working like the check six. Some people could use it and since it is just like the check six wont need much work on it.

Again to be clear: the sound/text warning is not range, works as .p and .r; the Range channel would be a channel that works like the range vox, since it is a text channel you would have to type anyway like you do on other channels But could allow more free team comunication without spamming the country channel. those are my wishes "updated" with the trouble critics pointed out. with this last update, is there any other problem?

I like how this is working, thank you for pointing out the failures and such, is really helpfull.

[muzik]

but some of those messages are unnecessary and will further spam the chat line.

I have to agree with smep <---   on this one Raph.

A few of the basics you suggest are just over communicating. HTC could create enough commands to have a conversation with, but that is just not gonna happen. "enemy down" is not critical information. It may be important on some occasions, but we dont need to hear everyone bragging about shooting down a bad guy.

High/low bombers/fighters is too much. As I said if HTC wants to use the padlock system to give a general location then that would solve the need for those but otherwise a simple "bandits" will suffice because if you are winging with someone, they can do a quick scan of the sky to find your bandits.

Yes and No, might be too much conversation, but I can see it being useful. It might be programmed to auto reply to only the person you are responding too. eg the last communicator. But otherwise too much conversation I think.

Anyone requesting supplies is generally in a situation that there are plenty of opportunities to type that request.

low bombers typed on range without further info is mostly useless information to many people around you.  because they dont know where you are.  if you say it on vox, they will see your location highlighted on the map.
smep

I dont agree with smep on this one. Tough titties, they didnt have lighted icons in ww2. I think we can agree the radar system is way too gamey as it is, but it is necesarry so that we can have lots of action and prevent wasting countless hours looking for fights. But you couldnt watch an icon light up on a map in ww2 and I have no problem with the gamers not being able to game the game any more than they do now. It's easy enough to track people as it is, we dont need to know exact locations, make them work for a kill.

perhaps you dont understand that when you type something on range it travels a long way.  people from more than 6k will see that info and get confused.  typing on range "fighter diving on base"  can be seen as far away as another base sometimes.  and people will look around for that plane that is not there. 
smep

And this doesnt happen when people use vox? This is just not  a valid argument. So what someone gets confused sometimes.  It happens anyway. Should we moderate people who use vox and confuse everyone on range when they are talking to just one person? VOX users are real people so it's ok to confuse everyone? 

I dont recall anyone suggesting the "diving on base" but that might be excessive communication. It's a nice gesture to give others a heads up, but perhaps we should let others be responsible for paying attention to avoid crowding the vox system.

And if the best argument anyone can come up with is "it crowds the vox system," all you have to do is look at how many people complain about not getting check 6s to see this system will not get so popular that it will be a problem.

Raph, the .p and .r commands are not the best way to go for most scenarios. The range communication is. Dont let the "people will get confused" argument scare you. they are already confused   

Just messing with you smep