Submarines??

[Mystery]

If HTC could work the playability issue with subs, ASW ops would be a hoot. Imagine escort carriers with FM2's and TBMs with depth charges. Tse-tse Mosquitoes. PT boats with depth charges. Commandable destroyers with depth charges.

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[Ack-Ack]

I just can't wait for people to 'hide' submarines on the other side of the map.. come back next week, maybe you can move it into a battle position.


PN: WW2 subs went about 15knots on the surface and about 4 under water.

Gato and Balao class of submarines were able to do a top speed of 20 knots on the surface, with 10 knots being their cruising speed.  Underwater they were capable of reaching close to 9 knots (8.75 knots) but usually cruised at 2 knots underwater so they could remained submerged for up to 48 hours. 

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[Ack-Ack]

The submarines very rarely could kill warships since they were about two times faster on the surface.

That is not a correct statement at all.  Submarines attacked any target that provided the opportunity, whether it be a merchant ship or a warship.  For example, the IJN lost two aircraft carriers in the opening hours of the Battle of the Philippine Sea that were sunk by two US submarines.  Another example is the sinking of USS Wasp, a US aircraft carrier sunk by a IJN submarine (I-19).

USS Trepang, on her first patrol in 1944, attacked a Fuso-class battleship and a destroyer but didn't sink them.  USS Swordfish, on the ninth of June, 1944, attacked and sunk a IJN large destroyer.  Again, these are just small examples of the many actions against surface warships by submarines.  You'll find even more examples from the Battle of the Atlantic.

There was even a US submarine that is actually credited with "sinking" a moving train with its torpedoes.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

I just can't wait for people to 'hide' submarines on the other side of the map.. come back next week, maybe you can move it into a battle position.


PN: WW2 subs went about 15knots on the surface and about 4 under water.

I want spawnable CV's. Perk them and call  it a GV/boat. 100 perks a pop, I take my sub, drive it upto the hidden carrier, and sink the damn thing.

[B-17]

There was even a US submarine that is actually credited with "sinking" a moving train with its torpedoes.

How does that work? Was there a train on the boat?

[AAJagerX]

How does that work? Was there a train on the boat?

I imagine the sub took out a bridge of some sort.

[Ack-Ack]

How does that work? Was there a train on the boat?

I imagine the sub took out a bridge of some sort.

USS Torsk was in Tokyo Bay and fired some torpedoes at a ship that was tied up to the docks.  The torpedoes went under the ship and hit a train trestle that was behind the docks, which at the time had a train heavily loaded with ammunition and other military supplies.  The resulting explosions caused the train to blow up and completely took out the train trestle.

Another submarine, USS Barb, also is credited with "sinking" a train but they didn't do it with torpedoes.  USS Barb landed a shore party and blew up a bridge while a munition train was passing over, destroying both the bridge and train.  In the battle flag, you can see the train on teh bottom of the flag.



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[Debrody]

That is not a correct statement at all.  Submarines attacked any target that provided the opportunity, whether it be a merchant ship or a warship.  For example, the IJN lost two aircraft carriers in the opening hours of the Battle of the Philippine Sea that were sunk by two US submarines.  Another example is the sinking of USS Wasp, a US aircraft carrier sunk by a IJN submarine (I-19).
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Sorry, Ackack, i forgot the pacific theatre... only had info about the Atlantic war

[Castle51]

I'm sure this has been brought up before but you do realize that driving a sub in the MA would take forever to get anywhere, right?  You'd be sailing around for hours and probably never even find anything to kill.

[B-17]

I'm sure this has been brought up before but you do realize that driving a sub in the MA would take forever to get anywhere, right?  You'd be sailing around for hours and probably never even find anything to kill.

We've gone over this, what... 432,684,123 times?

[Castle51]

and what have you gotten for an answer every time, equip submarines with warp drive?

[B-17]

Nope. I can't even remember the answers (they were plentiful) But mine would be this.

In real life, in the actual Second World War, bombers had to travel for 4 or 6 hours to get to altitude, and another 4 or 5 to get to the target. They would be in the air for 12 hours or more, a lot of the time. We don't have to in AH. We might have to travel for 20-40 minutes to get to altitude, which means a bombing mission might last, say, 1-1.5 hours. Same with submarines. In real life, they traveled for weeks at a time. In AH, the maps are not really to scale very well (at least not compared to real life) so maybe it would be 1-3 hours for a submarine to finally come across a CV or--dare I say it... A merchant convoy ...

That is my answer to the time aspect of submarines.

[muzik]

I'm sure this has been brought up before but you do realize that driving a sub in the MA would take forever to get anywhere, right?  You'd be sailing around for hours and probably never even find anything to kill.

Oh snap. Well lets just give the sub an extra 50 knots so that the game is FUN EVERY MINUTE!

[B-17]

OR we could just read my last post.

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[muzik]

OR we could just read my last post.

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