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Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« on: September 27, 2010, 03:30:35 PM »
Thanks to the regulars in here for helping us update the official A&VSD list. We try to keep it as accurate as possible, but in the end, this list is a fairly accurate representation when they were operational in units - it doesn't have to be 99.9999% right - we're after the 80%. :) 

We now have a list that helps SEA and AvA admins balance setups with the aircraft and vehicles we have at our disposal.

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Aircraft and Vehcile Service Dates
LAST Updated: September 16, 2010

Aircraft
USA
A-20G ... 5-42
B-17G ... 6-43
B-25C ... 1-41
B-25H ... 9-44
B-24J ... 5-43
B-26B ... 5-42
C-47A ... 12-41
P-38G ... 11-42
P-38J ... 12-43(ETO) 2-44(PTO)
P-38L ... 7-44
P-39D .... 10-41(ETO), 4-42(PTO), 5-42(EF)
P-39Q ... 10-43 (PTO) 11-43 (EF) 1-44 (MTO)
P-40B ... 1-41
P-40E ... 8-41
P-47D-11 ... 3-43(D5) to 1-44(D11)
P-47D-25 ... 5-44
P-47D-40 ... 1-45(ETO)
P-47N ... 6-45
P-51B ... 12-43(ETO),8-44(CBI)
P51D ... 5-44(ETO),1-45(CBI&PTO)
F4F-4 ... 9-41(ETO),5-42(PTO)
FM-2 ... 6-44(ETO),10-44(PTO)
F6F-5 ... 7-44
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
F4U-1A ... 7-43(PTO),12-43(ETO)
F4U-1D ... 1-45
F4U-1C ... 4-45
F4U-4 ... 4-45
F6F-5 ... 7-44
SBD-5 ... 5-43
TBM-3 ... 2-43

Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 4-41
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43(ETO),11-43(PTO&CBI)
Mosquito B.XVI ... 1-44(ETO)
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire VIII ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 5-44,7-45(CBI)
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44
Tempest V ... 5-44
Typhoon IB ... 11-43*

Finland
B-239 Brewster ... 3-40

Soviet
I-16... 1-40*
Il-2 Type 3 ... 10-42
La-5FN ... 3-43
La-7 ... 6-44
Yak-9T ... 1-43
Yak-9U ... 7/8-44

Italy
C.202 ... 11-41
C.205 ... 1-43

Japan
A6M2 ... 7-40
A6M5b ... 8-43
B5N2  ... 7-40
D3A-1 ... 7-40
Ki-61 ... 6-43
Ki-84-la ... 8-44 (CBI),10-44(PTO)
Ki-67 ... 4-44
N1K2-J ... 1-45

Germany
Ar 234B ... 12-44
Bf 109E-4 ... 5-40
Bf 109F-4 ... 6-41
Bf 109G-2 ... 6-42
Bf 109G-6 ... 2-43
Bf 109G-14 ... 7-44
Bf 109K-4 ... 10-44
Bf 110C-4b ... 8-40
Bf 110G-2 ... 5-42
Fw 190A-5 ... 6-43*
Fw 190A-8 ... 2-44
Fw 190D-9 ... 12-44
Fw 190F-8 ... 4-44
Ju 88A-4 ... 5-41
Me 262 ... 10-44
Me 163 ... 9-44
Ta 152H ... 1-45

Vehicles
USA
LVT(A)2 ...2-44
LVT(A)4 ...3-44
M-3 Halftrack...3-41
M-8 ...9-42
M-16 ...5-43
Sherman VC ...6-44(ETO)
M4A1 ...9-42(ETO), 1-43(PTO)
M4A3(76) ...7-44

Germany
Ostwind ... 8-44
Panzer IV Type H ... 8-44
Tiger I ...8-42
SdKfz 251...6-40
Wirbelwind...4-44

Soviet
T-34/76 ... 2-43
T-34/85 ...2-44

Theatres of Operations
ETO - Europe
MTO - Mediterranean
PTO - Pacific
CBI - China-Burma-India/CHINA-BURMA-INDIA

Notes:
* - due to the similiarity to earlier varients, this aircraft can be used as a substitute for earlier models.
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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 03:43:53 PM »
Notes:
* - due to the similiarity to earlier varients, this aircraft can be used as a substitute for earlier models.[/sup]

I'm about to split hairs and I think the asterisk should be applied next to Ki-61.
I believe the ki-61 we have is a later variant (1944?). Majority of earlier ones were shor-nosed and had 4x 12.7mm guns.

« Last Edit: September 27, 2010, 03:48:15 PM by Perrine »

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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 07:25:28 PM »
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)

Just a little confusing.
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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 10:58:01 PM »
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)

Just a little confusing.
Yep, should be 2-43PTO and 4-44ETO - thanks for finding that typo... :)
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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 09:39:21 AM »
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)

Just a little confusing.

did not VF-12 & VF-17 both not have their F4U-1's in October of 1942? and then VF-12 was ordered by the Navy to turn their's over to the Marine Corps.... yet VF-17 still was allowed to keep theirs, although in September of 1943 VF-17 was moved to land based in the New Georgia area of the pacific...... and VF-18 ( F6f-3 squadron ) replaced VF-17 on the Bunker Hill.......

quote from "Osprey aircam aviation #23  page # 5"
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CORSAIRS WITH THE U. S. NAVYAlthough the Navy did receive the F4U-1 Corsair
before the Marines (VF-12 began accepting deliveries on
3 October 1942) the Marine Corps had priority on
delivery of F4U's

quote from "Osprey aircam aviation #23 page # 5"
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VF-12, upon arrival at Espiritu Santo, turned its F4U's
over to the Marines and began to re-equip itself with
F6F-3 Hellcats for carrier operations.

is this helpful?

edit:  nevermind Feb 1943 is correct

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CORSAIRS WITH THE MARINESGuadalcanal
The U.S.M.C. accepted Corsairs in August and Sep-
tember 1942, assigning the aircraft to VMF-124. The
squadron achieved combat readiness by the end of
December and was delivered to Espiritu Santo in early
February, where it flew into the war zone led by its
commanding officer, Major William E. Gise. Arriving on
Guadalcanal on 12 February 1942,

I guess this is the date by which the list is going off of, sorry
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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 10:22:33 AM »
VF-17 never flew the -1 (birdcage) into combat. They trained in the -1, but transitioned into the -1A before they deployed.
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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 10:22:19 AM »
The dates for the Hurricane I can't be right. The Brits had hundreds in service at the outbreak of war in '39. Some were sent with expeditionary force - or have I missed something here.
Here we are, living on top of a molten ball of rock, spinning around at a 1,000mph, orbiting a nuclear fireball and whizzing through space at half-a-million miles per hour. Most of us believe in super-beings which for some reason need to be praised for setting this up. This, apparently, is normal.

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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 08:47:42 AM »
um im going to go out on a limb here but isnt the Sherman VC Firefly considered a british tank even though the hull was american. wasnt the turret british designed since the gun was a british gun too just wondering

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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2010, 07:30:26 AM »
Yes, it was considered British - in the sense that they had taken delivery of hundreds of Shermans and they modified some of them by replacing the gun with their 17pdr. I don't know if any saw service in the US army.

However the Churchill was quite useful for bridge building, flame throwing, etc. Although tough the gun was at best mediocre and it was really very slow. Armour was very good though. Not really suitable for Aces High as I see it.

The Cromwell was OK - about on a par with the Sherman/MkIV, but the Comet was better again. Other tanks like the Crusader actually performed very well in the early years in N. Africa, but were quickly out classed by later German models.

Now the Bren-gun carrier would be a fun addition. Like a jeep, probably a bit slower, but with the mortar option it could help de-ack a field from a distance or supply a V. supplies. Brits employed thousands of the things.
Here we are, living on top of a molten ball of rock, spinning around at a 1,000mph, orbiting a nuclear fireball and whizzing through space at half-a-million miles per hour. Most of us believe in super-beings which for some reason need to be praised for setting this up. This, apparently, is normal.

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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 08:57:36 PM »
Yes, it was considered British - in the sense that they had taken delivery of hundreds of Shermans and they modified some of them by replacing the gun with their 17pdr. I don't know if any saw service in the US army.

However the Churchill was quite useful for bridge building, flame throwing, etc. Although tough the gun was at best mediocre and it was really very slow. Armour was very good though. Not really suitable for Aces High as I see it.

The Cromwell was OK - about on a par with the Sherman/MkIV, but the Comet was better again. Other tanks like the Crusader actually performed very well in the early years in N. Africa, but were quickly out classed by later German models.

Now the Bren-gun carrier would be a fun addition. Like a jeep, probably a bit slower, but with the mortar option it could help de-ack a field from a distance or supply a V. supplies. Brits employed thousands of the things.


yes the carrier should be in there it was also used as a mini flamethrower called the wasp

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Re: Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 09:18:57 PM »
The dates for the Hurricane I can't be right. The Brits had hundreds in service at the outbreak of war in '39. Some were sent with expeditionary force - or have I missed something here.

We do have the Hurricane I using 100 oct fuel, cleared for 12lbs boost. That fuel was becoming available in early 1940.
Also I think we might have the additional head & back armour that was installed in May 1940.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 07:33:54 AM »
Aha! It was the Hurri I - but with the bits added to it in 1940. A sort of 'Hurricane Ia'. That explains it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 06:09:48 PM »
Good stuff guys.

Reminder - if anyone comes across data that conflicts with our dates, let me know with the source.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2012, 04:47:08 AM »
The dates for the Hurricane I can't be right. The Brits had hundreds in service at the outbreak of war in '39. Some were sent with expeditionary force - or have I missed something here.
The Hurricane first entered service on 111 Sqn in late 1937-early 1938. The first RAF and Hurricane Ace was New Zealander F/O Edgar "Cobber" Kain http://www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/Cobber%20Kain.htm  http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Wartime&action=display&thread=12433 who scored his first victory over a Do-17 in an earlier Hurricane I with the fabric covered wings and de H 3 blade, 2 pitch prop on 9 November 1939.

There is evidence that all Merlin IIs and IIIs began to be converted to use 100 Octane fuel some time after November 1939 http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/hurricane-12lbs-14nov39.jpg  and was being used in 111 Sqn Hurricanes in February 1940 http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/111-15feb40-100-octane.jpg.

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2012, 10:13:23 AM »
Fw 190 D-9 in-service date is wrong with 12/44:
III.JG 54 converted to the D-9 at the end of 9/44 and was full strength in 10/44
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biiijg54.html

II./JG 26 was the next group to receive them in 11/44
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biijg26.html

The Ta-152H sounds like one month too early.
The La-5FN is too early as well as in 3/44 the prototype first flew. The 32nd guards air corps is claimed to be the first operational with La-5FN and flew them in the battle of Kursk. 5/44 sounds like a more reasonable date.
La-7: 6/44 is when the first La-7 were assembled at Moscow plant #381. 7/44 should fit better.
I assume the Panzer IV Ausf. H must be some kind of typo - they were built from March 1943 and not late 1944.