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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #120 on: September 02, 2011, 10:51:27 PM »
Up sampling then down sampling does nothing for quality.

Even working 2048 then down sampling does nothing for quality. In the end it is best to work at the end resolution. These tricks and been tried and discarded over the years.

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #121 on: September 03, 2011, 11:13:26 AM »
Talk about oil on the drop tank and look how much mud on this P40E of the 23FG


And I assume you have seen this


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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #122 on: September 03, 2011, 12:26:48 PM »
-areas to improve:

- cut and paste your top olive drab onto 1-2 pixels of the lower wing texturemap so it matches adn you get a seamless transition from od to grey by erasing all the olive drab that you cut and pasted except for a few pixels on the leading edge. do this for all hard transitions so you tie the whole plane together and remove seams.

- your paint chipping detracts from the skin and does not add realism yet.
study real weathring pics. make it more refined and crisp. its to blurry and large scale to be realistic. real chips on most areas but the walkways are small. use a dodge and burn tool to "blend in" the paint chipping more and give it some fake reflection effects if you get my meaning. I would delete the entire paint chip layer and do it again.

- copy your rivet layer and change its color to the same color your using for paint chips then erase most of it except where you want paint chips. use this as a reference and then with a tiny brush expand on it adding more chips on places where chips should be.

- lower the opacity of the mud and or erase some of the grime or blur it all a bit by hand. it detracts from the realism.



olive drab color looks much improved.


realism realism realism.

try some rivet and panel deformation with a white and a black layer if you read that tutorial oboe posted.
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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #123 on: September 03, 2011, 12:28:03 PM »
oh and use bright to reduce your texturemap to 256 colors.

its a tiny free program though it may be hard to find. perhaps someone here has a link to it.
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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #124 on: September 03, 2011, 12:31:56 PM »
desaturate those damn stars too faint blue more greyish dark greyish blue.

come to think of it if its flying tigers it should have chinese stars?



you must be improving a lot if you got me to post this many nitpicks to improve it more.

make that bird look like a flying photograph straight out of ww2 is what I hope your objective is with this project. This can be accomplished mostly with specific color choices and desaturating more extreme stuff. but also through very very intricate detailing and attempts to add realism instead of cartoonish caricatures of what you thought it looked like.

i suggest going to your local airport or museum and looking closely at the warbirds there for a first hand example of what the surface of aircraft look like from the pilots seat.

make all details visible from the pilots seat shaded and baked in bump mapped and reflected from the pilots view if it will be visible from the cockpit.

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #125 on: September 03, 2011, 02:06:03 PM »
oh and use bright to reduce your texturemap to 256 colors.

its a tiny free program though it may be hard to find. perhaps someone here has a link to it.

I down loaded "BRIGHT" but cant get it to work....this is a big issue going from "RGB" to "index" is APITA and hurts the detail I put in.

it definitely pix-elates.....


thanxs for the tips....... :salute

 I don't use a color for "paint chips"   :headscratch:

everything else I can work on :salute

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #126 on: September 03, 2011, 02:49:00 PM »
ink are you using Photoshop?   I thought somewhere I read you were using GIMP.   I think "Bright" is a Photoshop plugin.

The second P-40 pic posted by Megalodon is a P-40K, not a P-40E.  Can tell by the ugly fillet at the base of the tail.   P-40K has a real ungainliness about it.   

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #127 on: September 03, 2011, 03:16:47 PM »
ink are you using Photoshop?   I thought somewhere I read you were using GIMP.   I think "Bright" is a Photoshop plugin.

The second P-40 pic posted by Megalodon is a P-40K, not a P-40E.  Can tell by the ugly fillet at the base of the tail.   P-40K has a real ungainliness about it.   

haha that's why it wont work :o

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #128 on: September 03, 2011, 08:08:39 PM »
ink are you using Photoshop?   I thought somewhere I read you were using GIMP.   I think "Bright" is a Photoshop plugin.

The second P-40 pic posted by Megalodon is a P-40K, not a P-40E.  Can tell by the ugly fillet at the base of the tail.   P-40K has a real ungainliness about it.   

 I actually think it looks good and I tell by the exhaust.
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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #129 on: September 04, 2011, 08:28:43 AM »
I actually think it looks good and I tell by the exhaust.

I think the P-40K is my favorite, how can you tell one by its exhaust?
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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #130 on: September 04, 2011, 08:35:32 AM »
I think the P-40K is my favorite, how can you tell one by its by the exhaust?

 :rofl  was thinking same thing..... :headscratch:

maybe we just mis took what he is saying :confused:

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #131 on: September 04, 2011, 09:29:25 AM »
Ink,  To use bright with Gimp.

Save > replace > export (merge visible layers)>  click on the advanced options, and select 24 bit.

Then go to the file and double click the Bright Icon. (you are saving the bmp in the same folder as bright aren't you?)

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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #132 on: September 04, 2011, 10:38:35 AM »
I think the P-40K is my favorite, how can you tell one by its exhaust?

Look at the difference:

K has a sorta triangular stacks. E's has more rounded like the B/C.  It is  possible that Scotts E could have a replacement Allison in it.
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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #133 on: September 04, 2011, 10:41:34 AM »
is that a pumpkin on the side profile??
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Re: P-40 "white #7"
« Reply #134 on: September 04, 2011, 10:47:55 AM »
is that a pumpkin on the side profile??

 You mean adam and eves apple? w/snake





Btw: In Charlie Bonds book he states that the the 1st 100 P40 delivered were camo.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2011, 11:00:09 AM by Megalodon »
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