Skydive aircraft stall spin...aaagh

[Puma44]

Not all of them.

[MachFly]

Not all of them.

Prohibited airspace is the only type of airspace that you can not get clearance into. But military still does not own it and I have never heard of a case where military was doing airshows in Prohibited airspace.

[cpxxx]

Often in Europe the military does own the airspace so to speak. Civilian traffic has to route around it. I had some trouble during the summer when Obama and the Queen were due to visit. (Not at the same time). The military were holding intercept exercises, even though we don't have jet fighters or military radar   We drop inside a a military exercise area which is rarely open. But this time, I took off and ATC told me to call mil radar, even thought there is no military radar . They wouldn't let me above FL70 and then told me I couldn't fly at all for the next hour or two.

My boss wasn't having that. He started making phone calls right up to the base commander, threatening to go further up chain of command. Ten minutes later, he told me 'You've got your clearance!'

I wasn't sure initially and on the first flight, I half expected to look out and see a grey PC9  sitting on my wing!

[Puma44]

Prohibited airspace is the only type of airspace that you can not get clearance into. But military still does not own it and I have never heard of a case where military was doing airshows in Prohibited airspace.

I've attended several Armed Forces Day air shows at the high speed test track facility near Holloman AFB, well inside the restricted airspace.  Those were always great air shows and included a low level (aproximately 200 ft agl) supersonic fighter fly by.

The discussion about who "owns" what can go on all day.  But, the reality of it is, the military dictates when the airspace is open or closed.  I understand  the national airspace system.  But, since the military controls use of restricted airspace it gives them "ownership" in a practical sense.  

[MachFly]

I've attended several Armed Forces Day air shows at the high speed test track facility near Holloman AFB, well inside the restricted airspace.  Those were always great air shows and included a low level (aproximately 200 ft agl) supersonic fighter fly by.

The discussion about who "owns" what can go on all day.  But, the reality of it is, the military dictates when the airspace is open or closed.  I understand  the national airspace system.  But, since the military controls use of restricted airspace it gives them "ownership" in a practical sense.  

Civilian aircraft are allowed in the restricted airspace, prohibited airspace is the only airspace that you are never allowed to fly in.

[MachFly]

Often in Europe the military does own the airspace so to speak. Civilian traffic has to route around it. I had some trouble during the summer when Obama and the Queen were due to visit. (Not at the same time). The military were holding intercept exercises, even though we don't have jet fighters or military radar   We drop inside a a military exercise area which is rarely open. But this time, I took off and ATC told me to call mil radar, even thought there is no military radar . They wouldn't let me above FL70 and then told me I couldn't fly at all for the next hour or two.

My boss wasn't having that. He started making phone calls right up to the base commander, threatening to go further up chain of command. Ten minutes later, he told me 'You've got your clearance!'

I wasn't sure initially and on the first flight, I half expected to look out and see a grey PC9  sitting on my wing!

Well if they told you that you got clearance you should be good. I know a guy who recently flew over Edwards AFB in a civilian aircraft, was really surprised that he got the clearance.

[cpxxx]

You see that's America. You can overfly LAX or Edwards in a C150, at least I assume you still can. That won't work if you want to overfly London Heathrow!

[AHTbolt]

Oh hell no that's an bellybutton whipping when they landed

[MachFly]

You see that's America. You can overfly LAX or Edwards in a C150, at least I assume you still can. That won't work if you want to overfly London Heathrow!

I doubt you can overfly LAX, too much traffic. But then again I never flown in LA.

[Golfer]

I doubt you can overfly LAX, too much traffic. But then again I never flown in LA.

Take a look at the LAX terminal area chart.

http://skyvector.com/?ll=33.94108896932946,-118.41162144423404&chart=114&zoom=1

http://skyvector.com/?ll=33.99665980275527,-119.69369107997085&chart=114&zoom=3

If you don't want to smack into an airliner, the best place to do that is right over the runways at 3500' and up.

[MachFly]

Take a look at the LAX terminal area chart.

http://skyvector.com/?ll=33.94108896932946,-118.41162144423404&chart=114&zoom=1

http://skyvector.com/?ll=33.99665980275527,-119.69369107997085&chart=114&zoom=3

If you don't want to smack into an airliner, the best place to do that is right over the runways at 3500' and up.

I guess I should have looked at it before posting. 

[Golfer]

ATL and JFK you'll get the same routing if you're putting about.  Here's JFK from around 4000' before we were able to get higher (I don't remember exactly the altitude that night)



Landing in Lantana, FL from the north it was customary to pass over the PBI VOR if IFR or over the numbers/midfield/as instructed while you were heading south because being directly over the runway keeps you out of the way.

[MachFly]

ATL and JFK you'll get the same routing if you're putting about.  Here's JFK from around 4000' before we were able to get higher (I don't remember exactly the altitude that night)

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Landing in Lantana, FL from the north it was customary to pass over the PBI VOR if IFR or over the numbers/midfield/as instructed while you were heading south because being directly over the runway keeps you out of the way.

Yeah I'm familiar with what they typically let you do, I used to do a lot of flying around New York's bravo airports.

[Puma44]

Civilian aircraft are allowed in the restricted airspace, prohibited airspace is the only airspace that you are never allowed to fly in.

Good point on "P" vs "R" airspace.  Regardless, access is when the military allows it, hence, "ownership".  

[MachFly]

Good point on "P" vs "R" airspace.  Regardless, access is when the military allows it, hence, "ownership".  

You have a point. I'm not sure if I agree with it, but from a certain point of view you are right.