When Is It Alright to HO?

[icepac]

Every try to HO a bomber you are intercepting.

It's not easy to go truly HO unless both pilots are committed to doing so.

Sure I hate when I'm trying to get on someone's six and he keeps reversing in an attempt to force the HO but you ultimately have control as to how you meet your opponent.

[Tyrannis]

 So your solution is to fly 110s and Mossies because, in your mind, the HO shots are automatically justified.

 

If im flying a 110 on a deacking mission, and i come across a spit/stang/w.e that i know can run circles around me plane vs plane, Sure i'll Ho, As far as im concerned my Deacking mission is much more important than some 1v1 for personal boasting.

[Rob52240]

HO anytime they get too close for you to bail or ditch without giving up a proxy.

[Karnak]

 So your solution is to fly 110s and Mossies because, in your mind, the HO shots are automatically justified.

 

Can't speak to 110s, but there are all sorts of fighters the Mossie can simply outfight and gain a non-HO gun solution.  There are even more that don't have a clear advantage and, flown with a little panache, the Mossie will again not need to resort to an HO.

Fact is, the Mossie VI in AH is an above average fighter.

[PFactorDave]

If im flying a 110 on a deacking mission, and i come across a spit/stang/w.e that i know can run circles around me plane vs plane, Sure i'll Ho, As far as im concerned my Deacking mission is much more important than some 1v1 for personal boasting.

My bad Tyrannis...  I confused you with Titanic...  Titanic has recently, like 2 days ago, told me that he HOs because "If you can't beat them, join them"...  Then today he told me that he likes to fly 110s and Mossies into a furball.  This after I popped his 190 with a 20mm to the canopy from a high 6 position, and he lamented about the fight being so short and I commented that people who want to fight don't normally fly 190s.  He was saying that because he likes to fly 110s and Mossie's into furballs that he is willing to fight.

Of course, later, he HO'd me with his 110 over a V Base.

It's all good I guess.  I take a HO shot occaisionally, but I don't make excuses for it when I do.  I'm simply amused by this thread and the OP's attempt to justify his lameness.  The guys who say, "You shouldn't have been in front of my guns" make some sense to me...  The ones who say, "I don't HO...  Well...  I don't HO unless you do this...  Or unless I am flying this... "...  Those guys are the...  Well, to be perfectly honest...  Tards...

I hope and pray that the "HO" shot never defines me in the AH community...  It may already be too late for the Titanic...

[JOACH1M]

I will HO if depending on mood. I'll HO anyone if I don't feel like fighting. Or if I'm way outnumbered. I also HO 262's givin the Chance

[killnu]

the only time it's ok to ho is when the other airplane points his nose at you, if he doesnt point his nose at you then go ahead and take a front 1/4 shot.

semp

or when they are rolling down the runway just about to get wheels up?

[TequilaChaser]

I will HO if depending on mood. I'll HO anyone if I don't feel like fighting.

I can vouche for this.... ROFL  he does it even when he ask lets don't before hand...... hehehe

but seriously,

there is not one rule both in this game and in Real Life that says Head On shots are not allowed, and frankly the only time I can think that HO's might not be allowed would be in some type of
dueling match where the rules are set before hand..... which most times the people I have played against dueling are not the type to take the cheap way out for the most part

the majority of the community say they frown upon HOing... but seriously after playing for some odd 15 / 16 years or whatever...... I have seen just about everyone I have ever played with or against go for the HO at least once or twice if not many times.... including myself....

If one puts themselves in the position to receive a HO while in a 1 vs 1, then they should accept it as them making a mistake and not post or voice and excuses.....

really, the players that have to have an excuse for everytime they get shotdown are the ones I laugh at more so than the player shooting someone HeadOn....

if you get shotdown, even while being ganged, it is noone's fault but your own........ regardless if HOs are involved or not.......

each of us have our own way of playing the game, everyone should encourage Good Gameplay........ but to continously whine and complain about someone HOing is not considered "encouraging Good Gameplay".......  being civil and explaining why a person should not take a low percentage shot like a HO, is "Good GamePlay Encouragement"

each and every player should be all for helping the AH community improve game play and good etiquette.........


TC

[Lab Rat 3947]

Kill or be killed.
If you cross my gunsight, I'll take the shot.

To paraphrase Bert Gordon (George C. Scott's character in 'The Hustler') "you don't get paid for yardage. In pool, you count your money, that's how you know who won. 

[MachFly]

Technically it is always "OK" to HO, but it's a very stupid thing to do (most of the time). When you HO your giving your opponent a non maneuvering target to shoot at, which is very easy to hit. Even if you have better guns and better armor all you need is just one of his 7.7mms to hit you in the head.

There are exceptions however:
-If your in something like B-25H and there is a zero going straight at you, you can fire on the HO because if you don't he'll easily outmaneuver you and shoot you down. The same thing goes for planes such as 110, Il-2, and Ju-87.
-If you have sever structural damage (such as half wing missing) or lost an engine and someone is going straight at you there is nothing you can do but fire.
-If your protecting something like a goon (or troops) and if you don't HO you wont have time to outmaneuver him before he get's the goon.
-If it's a set of bombers that can not be allowed to drop their bombs and they are a few seconds from dropping them, again only if you do not have time to maneuver around them.
-If it's something like a 262, because it is very difficult to catch up to them from behind and if you don't fire in that HO opportunity 10 more friendlies will get shot down by him.

But if you do any of those things don't complain after you get shot down, because you chose that something else is more important than you, or would have been dead either way.
Also if you get HO'ed don't complain, because you could have turned away. And you can't call him an idiot for not having any skill to do something else because you did not have any skill to turn away.

[VonMessa]

HO shots on buffs 

Taters in the cockpit will put a heavy down as fast as you please.

[Specs]

Always sad to try to duck one on the merge only to be shot with the assumption on the other end that it no longer counts as an HO
After that, any shot but an established straight line HO is part of the scuffle
Jousting is lame

[SunBat]

 

[Threeup]

I only HO in the following circumstance;

If I think there is even a remote chance that it may possibly enter into the other pilot's mind that he may consider HOing me briefly. If I think the other guy is thinking about HOing me or if he HOed someone in the past or even thought about HOing or even saw someone HOing or even posted on the BBS an opinion on HOing.

If I think any of the above is even slightly true then the guy is certainly prone to HO you so you have to HO him first and teach him a lesson. Even if he did none of this but was HOed at any time in the past or he could be HO'ed in the future he's only waiting to HO someone. He's a flying time bomb waiting to go off (or in this case HO off).

Otherwise if you HO everyone you shouldn't be playing this game.

And it's not as if I enjoy it - I feel Im carrying out a duty to those in the above catagory. As I said HOing for it's own sake is just dweebish to the extreme - they should be banned.

[Midway]

When it feels right.