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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2011, 06:34:53 PM »
It's still realistic to be able to shut an engine down in flight.  It's just illogical to do so.  Perhaps if HT modified the code so that at random times the engine would not  restart after an inflight shutdown, it would more accurately reflect real world possibilities.  

To draw a parrallel, would it make sense to turn your car ignition off while cruising down the interstate in heavy traffic at 75 mph?  Yes, you can do it at will but, common sense, logic, and a sense of survival prevails with the vast majority of people.

HiTech has already updated the code years ago to prevent people from gaming the game by turning off their engines.  If you notice, you cannot start your engines automatically at 100% with WEP on, like you could in the past that made it easier for those to turn on/off their engines in mid-flight. 

Personally, when I see someone turning off their engines trying to either force the overshoot or gain an angle on me, I know that I've got a kill coming in the next few seconds.  I also like to play with them, when I see that they've cut their engine, I will go vertical into a spiral climb and then come down for the very easy kill.  Used to love killing hblair like that.

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2011, 06:38:10 PM »
HiTech has already updated the code years ago to prevent people from gaming the game by turning off their engines.  If you notice, you cannot start your engines automatically at 100% with WEP on, like you could in the past that made it easier for those to turn on/off their engines in mid-flight. 

Personally, when I see someone turning off their engines trying to either force the overshoot or gain an angle on me, I know that I've got a kill coming in the next few seconds.  I also like to play with them, when I see that they've cut their engine, I will go vertical into a spiral climb and then come down for the very easy kill.  Used to love killing hblair like that.

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2011, 07:06:04 PM »
"Often they shut off their engines so as to make it difficult to locate them and go into a glide; then all we can hear is the wind humming through their wires. The tiny bomb drops out of this silence and immediately their engines begin to purr again."

Excerpt from Stuka Pilot by H.U.R.


Yes, it was done for various reasons, wasn't all that common though...

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2011, 07:32:40 PM »
"Often they shut off their engines so as to make it difficult to locate them and go into a glide; then all we can hear is the wind humming through their wires. The tiny bomb drops out of this silence and immediately their engines begin to purr again."

Excerpt from Stuka Pilot by H.U.R.


Yes, it was done for various reasons, wasn't all that common though...

It was also very common tactic amongst the PBY pilots in the PTO but I don't recall reading any fighter pilot's accounts of them turning off their engine to force the bandit on their six to overshoot or to gain an angle for the shot.

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2011, 10:12:40 PM »
As others have said, I like to see a player turn their engine off in a fight.  It's no more effective than cutting throttle and it takes them much longer to spin it back up again than simply increasing throtte.

Whenever I see that I think n00b... easy kill.  Same goes for the guys who think dropping gear in a turn fight makes them turn better.
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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2011, 11:15:12 PM »
I don't think I ever heard gear dropping makes you turn better. Wouldn't it just add drag and slow you down?
Only exception are the Corsairs I believe.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2011, 11:17:34 PM »
Why would F4Us be an exception?

Yes, it will add drag and slow you down faster, potentially letting you turn a tighter radius.  Of course, it also dumps lots of your E in a very wasteful manner.
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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2011, 11:24:08 PM »
Well no, I meant that the only planes that seems logical to drop their gear in combat would be the F4Us, to force an overshoot or to prevent going too fast in a dive. I didn't mean that it would make it turn tighter.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2011, 11:37:27 PM »
I don't think I ever heard gear dropping makes you turn better. Wouldn't it just add drag and slow you down?
Only exception are the Corsairs I believe.

Yes it would and another AH falacy that you often see is that Corsairs turn better with the gear out.  I can't tell you how many people I've seen do that over the years.  They are not some special exception to the rule.
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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2011, 12:11:28 AM »
Yes, it is realistic. Happened many times in the war... a pilot forgot to switch tanks and the engine dies. He switches tanks, turns it back on. One P-38 pilot was the first recorded to score a kill with engines off because this happened while he was just about to fire. He calmly coasted in for the shot then started up afterwards.

Even Hitech himself flies, and has mentioned on the forums how he's had his sputter out on him before, switched tanks and started up again.


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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2011, 02:38:12 AM »
:rofl It's true.

Puma? Krusty?

Please kindly take it somewhere else. I'm on the forums to discuss Aces High, military history, and random things with people that actually value my opinion sometimes. Not to watch people accusing others of doing acting like this, or saying stuff like that.

Sorry if this seems like "backseat moderating" but I'm just sharing my opinion, and attempting to be polite abou tit.

I'm 15 by the way. Just if you need some perspective. :P

So, aside from the name calling and lack of tolerance for it, what did you learn from this discussion?   :salute
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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2011, 11:25:16 AM »
Why would F4Us be an exception?

Yes, it will add drag and slow you down faster, potentially letting you turn a tighter radius.  Of course, it also dumps lots of your E in a very wasteful manner.

Very true! It also put nose down drag which directly counteracts elevator input. If you want to slam on the brakes and make someone fly past you before they can get guns on, then maybe, but there are better, faster, easier was to do that as well.  :salute
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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2011, 11:27:31 PM »
Why would F4Us be an exception?

Yes, it will add drag and slow you down faster, potentially letting you turn a tighter radius.  Of course, it also dumps lots of your E in a very wasteful manner.

Its not, one can drop the gears and/or flaps if they want to dump a ton of e fast.
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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2011, 12:35:01 AM »
I turn my engine off when I do high speed passes on teammates.

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Re: Cutting Engines Mid Flight
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2011, 07:19:44 PM »
Colonel Robin Olds.
Jettisoned his fuel tanks and forgot to switch over to his internal tanks while he was lining up for a shot.


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