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Offline morfiend

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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2011, 05:24:04 PM »
Wiley,I was talking about ingame,I realize how balistics work in the RL but in AH you are mistaken like Klam,test out the .target set conv. to 600 and see if you can get the round to hit above your aim point at any distance! 

 Bustr did some testing and his results concur with this.






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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2011, 07:55:31 PM »
Ah-hah - two pieces of info:

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Also, I don't remember that WB was d2 ( d4 ) as being mesuared in feet, anyways it is not in feet in Aces high, it is mesuared in yards

I was backwards, I thought WB was hundreds of yards and AH was in feet.  Now that I know that AH is in yards, things make a bit more sense.

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In WBs, when it went from 500 to 400, it meant he'd crossed to within 400 yards.  In here, when it goes from 600 to 400, it means he's crossed the 500 yard line.

That is something else I didn't quite grasp while dealing with the slightly different controls and visuals and flight model.

Those two pieces of info explain my, while not difficulty, difference in perception of how things are.  Now I can adjust accordingly.

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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2011, 08:57:48 PM »
Wiley,I was talking about ingame,I realize how balistics work in the RL but in AH you are mistaken like Klam,test out the .target set conv. to 600 and see if you can get the round to hit above your aim point at any distance! 

 Bustr did some testing and his results concur with this.






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I just did this in offline mode, upped a 109K4 with convergence to 650, target 300, fired a burst and took this SS without moving the pipper.

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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2011, 09:04:10 PM »
Even though I have no troubles with shots beyond 600 yards, I tend to hold my fire until the bandit is within 400 or less yards.  At these close ranges not much can survive a single shotgun like burst from a P-38.

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but when im normally flying my jug i tend to shoot around 500 and actually care where im aiming at 350/300. i have my guns set to 475 but if i get close enough i can just saw both the wings off.

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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2011, 09:36:11 PM »
Wiley,I was talking about ingame,I realize how balistics work in the RL but in AH you are mistaken like Klam,test out the .target set conv. to 600 and see if you can get the round to hit above your aim point at any distance!  

 Bustr did some testing and his results concur with this.

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It's kind of counter-intuitive, but setting your convergence way out there makes it less likely that your rounds will ever go above your LoS.  Setting the convergence in close though, practically assures they will.

The rounds will lift above the LoS, depending on what your convergence is set at, whether you're using wing-mounts or nose-mounts, and how far above the guns the pilots LoS is.  Setting the convergence in close will actually allow your rounds to go up as high as 10ft above LoS with wing-mounts, much less-so with nose-mounts.

Setting it to 600 will bring it above LoS with nose-mounts, but not with wing-mounts.

I was skeptical at first, but actually found AH ballistics to be about as close to RL as possible.

In answer to the OP's question...  I set mine for 275-300 yards, and fire when I see the distance-counter switch from D400 to D200, which (as previously stated) is actually at 300 yards.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2011, 09:51:43 PM by mtnman »
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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2011, 01:59:07 AM »
It really does depend on the plane and the gun set for me.  I prefer to open up at 300 or less in general, but some guns have such tricky ballistics that it's better to open up at 200 or less.  Read up on individual planes and/or guns in the wiki to give you a better idea. 


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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2011, 07:30:07 AM »
My aim is really, really bad. So I try to apply the advice of a ww2 pilot of old, which of course I dont remember the name : wait for your target to fill the visor, then wait some more. Convergence 275. I open up when dist change to 200. That close, lead and drop are almost no factor and you can be sure that most plane will require only a small burst from any gun set to go down.

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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 07:38:28 AM »
i set mine at 250 in everything.    i can't hit anything at any other setting.   just what i've become used to i guess.   i suppose it would all boil down to personal preference.
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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2011, 12:33:15 PM »
i set mine at 250 in everything.    i can't hit anything at any other setting.   just what i've become used to i guess.   i suppose it would all boil down to personal preference.



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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2011, 05:30:06 PM »
400 for wing mounted stuff, 650 for all the center mounted stuff.

The 30mm out of the K4 wobbles so much longer shots are harder and the round drops so much I prescribe to the 'give it loft' camp.  But I am open to changing.

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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 05:33:51 PM »
250 for the k4.... 300ish for everything else
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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2011, 05:43:33 PM »
As close as HTC's collision model will let me.
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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2011, 07:41:27 PM »
You know something I have NEVER seen but would love to is screen shots with the gunsight of shots in different situations with the convergence, speed, blah blah blah.. posted.  I think it would give a lot of people, especially me, a great deal of help in actually hitting something other than the ground (I'm a visual learner).
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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2011, 11:16:25 PM »
I set convergence anywhere from 400-650 depending on the gun package without regard to wing or nose mounts and open fire anywhere between 200 and 1000 depending on the situation and gun package but 400-600 is my ideal range.

I know that doesn't help but it's the way it is.
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Re: how close when you pull the trigger?
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2011, 08:49:29 PM »
I set convergence anywhere from 400-650 depending on the gun package without regard to wing or nose mounts and open fire anywhere between 200 and 1000 depending on the situation and gun package but 400-600 is my ideal range.

I know that doesn't help but it's the way it is.

To be honest, I think your methods probably answer the OP's question the most accurately.  "When do you all shoot?"

I bet the overwhelmingly vast majority of the players use that same exact methodology.

So, in effect, that does help  :D
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