Author Topic: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing  (Read 838 times)

Offline bustr

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B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« on: September 15, 2011, 11:20:42 AM »
As I promised to test from this thread in the Bug Reporting section:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,319262.0.html

I flew a K4 and Yak9T firing single shots at a B25H offline from 200 yards, full zoom. Both guns Mk108 and NS-37 took the same number of rounds to dismantle or destroy the B25H if I fired no rounds forward of the bomb bay. That probably records as a cockpit hit.

1.) 2 rounds into the outer wing panels broke them from the engine nacel. Then 1 round in the nacel broke the remaining wing from the fuslage.

2.) 2 rounds to the rear of the engine nacel produced fire. A third round broke the wing from the fuslage.

3.) 1 round between the nacel and fuslage produced littel or no damage. A second round more often produced an engine fire. Sometimes the second round snapped the wing of at the root. The third round anywhere on the wing snapped off the wing.

4. 1 round removes a rudder. 1-2 removes the elevator.

5.) 4 rounds into the fuslage aft of the bomb bay kills the bomber.

6.) Many times from the K4 on hits that threw no visible debri, I still got the sounds of debri hitting my aircraft.

B25H as modeled seems to be one tough Bird. Shoot the cockpit for the old one shot tater kill on this aircraft. Or hold down on the trigger longer.

Anecdotaly while testing with fighters, not all fighters loose their wing or any parts if your round contacts the trailing edge area. Same with the aft 3rd of the fuslage and tail empennages. Fighters are a bit harder to hit by choice anywhere but near the cockpit during testing. I used up alot of fighters trying for wing and empennage trailing edges. For some players offline practice this factor could give the impression the Mk108 and NS-37 are 100% every round that makes contact one shot fighter killers. Both the Mk108 and NS-37 rounds now seem to be equaly missing at close range opposed to my testing last year before the 2.25 release.
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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 07:03:32 PM »
I am not sure how useful at gauging their respective strengths such testing is.  If the wing has 60 hit points and the MK108 does 40 damage while the NS37 does 50 damage, both would still take two hits to destroy it.
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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 01:56:55 AM »
Karnak,

I was attempting to help a number of players with similar feed back experiences of shooting B25H's with taters. The testing showed a repeating average phenomenon within the circumstances. The phenomenon has changed from my pre 2.25 release testing in the same manner with the same guns in question. Pre 2.25 the Mk108 took fewer rounds to dismantle or destroy a Ju88 than the NS-37. And the MK108 appeared pre 2.25 to have a magnetic heat seeking affinty for aluminum while the NS-37 tended to be alergic.

The players common issue was the lack of damage intensity via single Mk108 round hits that they remember happening previously when shooting B25's. Repeated interactive sampling of expected output results from computer programs is a valid method of gauging change of the process across versions. It can be very boring until something acts differently than the previous 200 or 300 samples. Watching slow motion film close ups of ballistic characteristics relative to the target aircraft for the two rounds is worse than drinking cod liver oil.

It's probably an Internet issue rather than anything changed in the game...... :cheers:
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Offline Scotty55OEFVet

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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 11:33:29 AM »
Was flyin a K4 other day and was engaging some B17s. Watched at least 17-20 Hits register on al parts of that buff, cept maybe the cockpit, and it did not affect the one I was hitting one bit. I know I should have aimed directly for either the Engine, Cockpit, or Wing Roots but was just seeing what would happen. If you get the time could you possbly do a test on the various Bombers and results you come up with?
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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 04:36:13 PM »
You took time away from your vacation for offline testing grandpa?  Marcey is going to kill you!   :devil


Karnak, gramps is just trying to call my bluff for crying a couple weeks ago about a B-25H eating 3 Mk108 HE rounds (and all the AP rounds in between) from a single high-forward gun pass, with hits struck between the engine and wingroot on the wing and the only resulting damage being a single trail of fire (logicaly - something even a single .30cal incendiary would be capable of achieving given the same circumstances).

Long story short - AT&T does suck, the Mk108 has been quietly adjusted (le nurf) with no confirmation or denial from HTC (because having your customers pick apart your product while on vacation with their signifigant others with hours of their free-time for an unsavorable answer.... is Marcey buying it, Bustr?) and the B-25H is one tough mother.
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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 01:28:50 PM »
Don't worry Babs. I'm writing this from her laptop that I finally figured out why IE9 was showing only blank pages. Seems this Lil Puppy don't have enough GPU grunt to let IE9 run in hardware excelleration mode....

Honey, the MS Update thingy told me to install IE9. Now it won't work...waaaaaaa.......

Still re-framing the front porch and stairs on this 100 year old house. I cannot beleive anyone since 1908 carried washers, dryers, refrigerators and furniture up and down those 9 stairs from the porch without at least one structural failure.....they didn't even have rocker blocking between the porch joists or a face header with the stair stringers mounted to it.

Oh well Babs, gotta get back to it. I'm framing it to current code so Marcey can have all her freinds on it for a porch party.......weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeee
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Offline Ruah

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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 12:03:47 PM »
I have been having really bad problems with the tater these past few days, lots and lots of assists on what should be one hit kills.  Just wondering here - am I the only one?

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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2011, 12:53:06 PM »
I have been having really bad problems with the tater these past few days, lots and lots of assists on what should be one hit kills.  Just wondering here - am I the only one?

no your not, I unloaded half my ammo on one p51 last night..... I figured it was me though
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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 03:15:34 PM »
Film would best help with those type of issues, if they're a bug or not, etc..  It is quite possible that someone else maybe pilot wounded your target or maybe shot off 3-parts already to the wing you just severed.
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Re: B25H MK108 & NS-37 Destruct Testing
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 02:31:43 AM »
I don't pull the trigger a lot (usually very short - 3 to 5 30mms per shot) and I usually don't shoot from the six (or where you jesting).  But yeah, I will start labeling my videos for a future discussion.

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