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[Scotty55OEFVet]

a good compromise might be  3 days on 3 days off.

 

[tmetal]

No icons for me please.

One week a month with no icons sounds like a good compramise to me

[waystin2]

Leave the icons on at the 3.0k distance on Thursday Evenings if we are voting on this issue.

[PFactorDave]

I don't expect any of you to care what I think, but I won't visit the AvA if Icons are turned off.  I'm not the only one around who feels that way.  So, if you are trying to attract new folks to the AvA, you might want to leave them on.  If your goal is to keep new folks away, then turn them off.

Do as you like.

[captain1ma]

if there are going to be alot of people in on a particular night, turning them back on will not be a problem. maybe ill run no icons for saturday-monday and turn them on for the rest of the week. this should appease everyone.

[68ZooM]

no Icons that's what i loved about the AvA, not like the normal here i am arena's.

[PuppetZ]

The big bugger about no icons is the complete lack of 3d sight on a flat screen. No icons is perceived to be more realistic. Maybe it sound more realistic, but we're sitting at a computer, looking at a screen (with no strereoscopic effect) with LEDs strapped to our heads. We are not in a realistic environnement and as such, it's hard to talk about realism level without taking into account these factors. I'm no long time AVA flyer. I play AH mainly for the special events. Lately, AVA offered a special event like persistant environnement that I took some interest in. The quality of the fights to be had in there is way above MA standard(whatever you may think). HO happens very rarely(that's part of the game, in a head on situation, I will 99.9% of the time not fire my guns. Yet I always expect to get a face full of lead everytime I'm looking at the business end of a gun), ganging will happen once in a while(usually when I fly into a bunch of ennemy without friendlies around), pick is not a lame kill IMO(it's my job to stay safe and out of harms way. Not the other guy's not to kill me if he catch me with my pants down and has an opportunity to down me). Undertand me, what I'm saying is, I dont mind getting killed by a superior opponent(in numbers or skills) or outwitted/outmaneuvered (and that happens a lot to me). On the other hand, getting killed because of hardware limitations and a unsighted ennemy plane is lame and no fun at all.

If you go ahead with no icon, have at it. I wont.



Please bear in mind I'm giving out my opinion on the matter at hand.

One last ride in the -4 tonight then we'll see based on what is decided...

[grumpy37]

I don't expect any of you to care what I think, but I won't visit the AvA if Icons are turned off.  I'm not the only one around who feels that way.  So, if you are trying to attract new folks to the AvA, you might want to leave them on.  If your goal is to keep new folks away, then turn them off.

Do as you like.

What exactly is your fear of no icons?  Ill be frank, there may be a lot of new people in the arena now but the nightly numbers are the same as they were 3 months ago its just different people. 

[Jappa52]

Guys, I hear that the H2H rooms are now back up. All you silly no icon doods can head on over there and play that way if you like......

 

[grumpy37]

still curious as to what all you icons doods fear of no icons is?  no one has really come up with a good reason. 

[Wiley]

What exactly is your fear of no icons?

I don't mind flying without icons once in a while, but there are reasons why they frustrate me often.

My eyesight sucks.  My eyeglass prescriptions are something along the lines of 5.8 right eye, 7.2 left eye.  Stigmatism in both.  Also color blind.

I play on a mid-quality 22 inch widescreen monitor.  1680x1050 resolution.

During FSO, it is all but guaranteed I will be the last guy in my flight to see the crowd of dots we're headed into.  Very occasionally I look at the right spot and see them.

I was asking one of my squaddies how he saw a dot the other day, the response was something along the lines of '32 inch display helps a lot.'  I bet it does.

What bothers me about no icons, and in particular the guys that think they're ever so much manlier and better than people who prefer icons is, I could overcome my limitations with gear.  I could buy a larger screen to play on.

Why should that be necessary?  Why should the single most important part of the game (tracking the enemy) be largely dependent on either passing a physical, or the quality of your hardware?

Wiley.

[grumpy37]

That was the most thought out answer i have ever seen to this question.      I play on a screen same as yours, sometimes i see them sometimes i dont thats what makes it exciting.  You get icons in every other arena if you chose to play there.  My frustration, and many many others, is why put icons in a room that was starting to grow with them off?  The more you fly with them off the easier it gets, you figure out what to look for.  It has nothing to do with thinking we ( me for certain anyway) are any better than anyone else it just adds a new level of excitement not found in other arenas. 

[PFactorDave]

What exactly is your fear of no icons?  Ill be frank, there may be a lot of new people in the arena now but the nightly numbers are the same as they were 3 months ago its just different people.  

I don't fear it, I simply don't enjoy it.  Don't make the mistake of thinking I have zero experience with no icons.  Thank you for belittling my opinions by insertiing charged words like fear, as if I am trembling and quaking over the prospect of having to play without icons.

I only commented because there seemed to be a real interest by a few people to hear other opinions and thoughts on drawing people into the AvA.  As a person who could possibly be drawn in, I was merely trying to give the AvA staff a glimpse of how an outsider perceives what goes on in the AvA.

Personally, I like the smaller fights for the most part.

Personally, I like not being HO'd on the first merge.

Personally, I think after the first merge, not firing when the enemy goes through your guns is stupid.  All you're doing is allowing the guy to fly sloppy because he thinks he is safe in your gunsight as long as he can get his nose around.  This is especially true with the guys who gravitate to spitfires, A6Ms, FM2s etc.  Their idea of dogfighting is constantly turning head on in a joust fashion until they can exploit their airframes turning ability.  It's silly.  In a setting like the AvA, I won't fire on the first merge, after that, I won't be looking for a head on shot, but I'm sure as hell not going to give you a free pass if you pull your nose around into my gun sight.

My opinion of the AvA recently...  It has potential.  But there are a few too many jackwagon "regulars" who will vocally slam you on 200.

For instance, the other night I went into the AvA.  I was alone.  Nobody else.  Rather then leave for the MA, I decided stick around and see if anyone else showed up.  Was looking forward to maybe getting some 1vs1 action.  Anyway, instead of sitting in the tower, I upped a fighter and flew to the nearest enemy base.  It happened to be one of the southern V bases.  I flew around and around.  Started to get low on fuel and bored.  So I deacked the base.  Flew home and landed.  Still alone.  Upped a goon and flew troops to the V base.  Had just let them go when someone else showed up in the arena.  Great!  Now I might get a fight!  Troops took the base.  I was immediately derided on 200 for "rolling undefended bases".

 

I've been derided for "picking", only to have the same guy do the exact same thing to me.  Then claim that he was flying as a wingman with his partner, so it was of course ok for him.


I honestly think that there is a subset of AvA regulars who really really really don't want anyone new to show up.   They're probably going to get their wish in the long run.

 

[grumpy37]

My charged word "fear" sure got a thought out response by you.  First off dont take any of this personally as it is not directed at you personally you just like to voice your opinion as do I. Second, some of your points have merit.  The people that you described negatively IMHO are the type not wanted in the AvA from the start.  You still havnt answered the main question so I will put it bluntly, WHY DONT YOU LIKE NO ICONS.  Give specific reasons if you can, I have and so have others.  I dont like them is just an excuse if you cant back it.  

My opinion of the AvA recently...  It has potential.  But there are a few too many jackwagon "regulars" who will vocally slam you on 200.

Id wager your "jackwagon regulars" havnt been in the arena as a regular longer than 2 months. 

Personally, I like the smaller fights for the most part.


Go to MW, small fights all day long and its an established icon arena. 

[PuppetZ]

Wiley made a very good point. It basically sum up what I was thinking but failed to put into words.

I could go to MW or EW or DA. But what fun is it? It's a smaller version of LW with an all country fraticide jousting match.What is fun in AVA is the planes matchups.

Besides, from what I've read, AvA is not an established no icon arena. someone in these BBS once said that no icon was in fact quite recent and covered a relatively short time span in the entire "life" of the arena.