Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft

[thndregg]

1 thing for sure, the strat targets do not offer enough of an incentive to defend. 

[OOZ662]

The OP provides a wonderful idea for gameplay, but presented as a response to the wrong issue. The ENY system, when properly implemented, is meant to limit the ability of the strong side to attack the weaker ones, thus equalizing gameplay. A destroy-targets-to-limit-the-enemy system encourages hordes and massive side switches in order to garner the numbers to carpet bomb a now-indefensible country into Hurricane Mk. I oblivion.

[Hap]

traveller, i love the sound of it.  but it would be sort of a reverse eny'er.

[SmokinLoon]

The OP provides a wonderful idea for gameplay, but presented as a response to the wrong issue. The ENY system, when properly implemented, is meant to limit the ability of the strong side to attack the weaker ones, thus equalizing gameplay. A destroy-targets-to-limit-the-enemy system encourages hordes and massive side switches in order to garner the numbers to carpet bomb a now-indefensible country into Hurricane Mk. I oblivion.

ENY does not limit the strong side's ability to attack the weaker side(s), it simply forces them to take what is less "easy" for them to get the job done. 

Instead of P51D's fully loaded with ords, the F4U-D, F6F, etc are tapped.  Not a real big disadvantage, really.  It isnt until those heavy hauling fighters are grounded that the attackers are limited in fighter/bomber choices.  Not until the ENY gets to 25 or so.  Once all the 2000 lb+ ord carrying able planes are grounded and the 109's, 190's, (all) Japanese fighters are forced in to the jabo mode is the attacker "limited", at least in the jabo mode. 

Regarding bombers... losing the B29, Mossi B 16, and Ar234 is hardly a worry.  It isnt until the ENY gets to 20 that the lancs, B17, b24, etc are grounded.

The ENY system needs a tweak, no doubt.  But HTC holds the password and the "coad".      
 

[OOZ662]

ENY does not limit the strong side's ability to attack the weaker side(s), it simply forces them to take what is less "easy" for them to get the job done.

when properly implemented

[Megalodon]

1 thing for sure, the strat targets do not offer enough of an incentive to defend. 

Toss a plane factory in there and they will defend it.

I remember when I was in the 168th Nightstalker's back in AW. We were 1 of the 1st squads to bring our buffs to FR <before the Avengers>. At 1st the FR crowd just squeaked and moaned about us. They told us bombers don't belong here. Called us names and so on.  We liked it because it was harder to fly buffs in FR.
After about a month and a half of constant spit, munitions and maintenance bombing the FR guys starting defending their factories,  As soon as the bar came up at they were grabbing.  A working strat is a plus for the game and factories that get shut down will get defended.

If we had a plane factory I would be in buff allot more.

[Traveler]

traveller, i love the sound of it.  but it would be sort of a reverse eny'er.

One of the big  complaints that I read over and over on the boards over the years about ENY is the people that state “I have limited time to play and when I get on I can’t get he plane I want to fly, I pay $14.99 a months and I can’t fly what I want to fly because of ENY”.

I know my idea needs work, but what I’m suggesting is a change from ENY’s limiting aircraft and equipment affecting everyone within the arena, to the limiting aircraft and equipment affecting local areas governed by the local industrial zone.  More like it was in an actual war zone.  

Sides would have to defend their industrial zones and the result being that aircraft might be limited in a disputed zone, but still available from zones as yet unaffected .  Just as we have airfields that can not be captured one could have an industrial zone that supports the un-capture able  fields that can’t be captured or destroyed.   Thus No one would ever be denied the aircraft that they wish to fly, they just might have to fly it a little further.  

[Traveler]

Interesting idea...

But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.

I keep going back to this because you have a very valid point and I have an idea that might address this.  Each Industrial zone has working radar that has radar directed anti aircraft guns, very  lethal Puffy ack from 15 K up to 50K, within the radar ring . Fighter cover would be responsible for 0 to 15K protection.

[guncrasher]

I keep going back to this because you have a very valid point and I have an idea that might address this.  Each Industrial zone has working radar that has radar directed anti aircraft guns, very  lethal Puffy ack from 15 K up to 50K, within the radar ring . Fighter cover would be responsible for 0 to 15K protection.

so the game is gonna go from attacking bases to defending/attacking strats.  how does one win to change the map?


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[SmokinLoon]

I like the idea of a "aircraft factory".  Just how would it be implemented???  Have the damage on a slider? The more severe the damage the more severe an artificial ENY ceiling is?  Take down the factory to %50 and ENY 10 and better aircraft are disabled?  Take it down to %25 and ENY 15 and better aircraft are disabaled?  %100 = ENY 20 and better disabled???

[Wiley]

Ever notice people never start threads about how cool it would be if their side lost the ability to fly certain planes because they didn't defend the proposed strat airplane factories?

Why is that?

Wiley.
 

[Traveler]

Ever notice people never start threads about how cool it would be if their side lost the ability to fly certain planes because they didn't defend the proposed strat airplane factories?

Why is that?

Wiley.
 

With this proposed system, unlike the current ENY which does take away the ability to fly certain planes because they did nothing more then log on.  The aircraft would still be available, just in a different Industrial zone.

[Wiley]

Anytime you log in there'd be the potential for your side to be down strats through no fault of your own.  What's the difference?

Take a look at how ground ops unfold now in the arenas now.  It's always easier to keep chipping away on the offensive until you eventually destroy something than it is to keep up a coherent defense for the same amount of time.

Wiley.

[Traveler]

Anytime you log in there'd be the potential for your side to be down strats through no fault of your own.  What's the difference?

Take a look at how ground ops unfold now in the arenas now.  It's always easier to keep chipping away on the offensive until you eventually destroy something than it is to keep up a coherent defense for the same amount of time.

Wiley.

I think I addressed that by making them easy to repair, via resupply from local airfields.  as to logging in and strats may be down, your correct, just as when you log in now your ENY may make your ride unavalible, however with my suggestion, your ride would still be available , just not at the Industrial zone you happen to be in.  Both sides cold be chipping away on the offensive and your nme would be faced with the same problems.  I think it provides move areas of conflict, missions to destroy and misions to defend, sould to me like lots more places to fight.