Panzer 4 F characteristics

[PR3D4TOR]

This is true.

How did the Panzer III do against the T-34/76 and KV-1?

Not brilliantly, which is why they decided to develop the Pz IV into a proper medium tank. The late-mark Pz III L and M versions with 80 mm front armor and the long 50 mm gun were decent against the T-34/76, but they were the very end of the Pz III's development potential. It was just too small.

[Tank-Ace]

Question: whats the point is choosing the short cannon? its totaly inpotent against anything (heck an m8 can kill the panzer from the distance it can kill the m8...) someone said scenarios, but thats still a chop suey mission.

Its HE shells seem to be even a bit better than the M4(75)'s. So the answer is destroying soft targets. Its more effective against M18's, M8's, and the like than standard AP rounds are, since a close hit will be enough to take them out.

Infact, thats one of the main reasons I would love to see an M12 or a Hummel; its HE rounds are both powerfull enough to take out multiple buildings with a single near-miss, and they're powerfull enough to take out medium tanks if you're shooting is fancy enough  .

[W7LPNRICK]

Town killer? Short barrel is like Mortar right, Heavy HE shells will kill the town faster?

[321BAR]

This is true.

How did the Panzer III do against the T-34/76 and KV-1?

the panzerIII's armor penetration with the old 37mm couldnt do the trick easily but i have a feeling if a soft gun can do it, the PnzrIII could too. The PnzrIII G and H models with the 50mm KwK 38 L/42 would do the trick at short ranges and the 50mm KwK 39 L/60 of the PnzrIII J1 would be interesting to see and was the most produced AT version PnzrIII at 1,067 produced in '41 '42


and to clear an argument up the 75mm KwK 37 WAS added to the PnzrIII but by then the PnzrIV was much better equipped to deal with the AT role and the only 75mm cannon added to the PnzrIII was the KwK 37 (L/24)

Its HE shells seem to be even a bit better than the M4(75)'s. So the answer is destroying soft targets. Its more effective against M18's, M8's, and the like than standard AP rounds are, since a close hit will be enough to take them out.

Infact, thats one of the main reasons I would love to see an M12 or a Hummel; its HE rounds are both powerfull enough to take out multiple buildings with a single near-miss, and they're powerfull enough to take out medium tanks if you're shooting is fancy enough  .

yeah now lead the target Hellcat or Greyhound far enough to actually land a round near it... The HE of the L24 is way too low of a velocity to hit a moving vehicle

[Tank-Ace]

J1 had the 50mm L'42, J2 onwards had the 50mm L'60.



And to really do things right, we would need at least 3 different panzer III variants, although we could get by with 2.


Right way

Panzer III Ausf. E: 30mm armor, 37mm cannon

Panzer III Ausf. H: 60mm armor, 50mm L'42 cannon

Panzer III Ausf. L: 70mm armor, 50mm L'60 cannon


Wrongway (joke intended  )

Panzer III Ausf. E: 30mm armor, 37mm cannon

Panzer III Ausf. J: 50mm L'42 and 50mm L'60 to represent both late-Early War and early-Mid War setups.


While the Panzer III ausf. H isn't the best representation of the midle of the development for the Panzer III, it would allow for more realistic odds in a scenario or snapshot, seeing as we have no BT7, T26, M3 Grant, Crusader, or other light armor for it to fight. It would have to be up against a mix of T-34's (can't be just T-34's, since they weren't what anyone would call abundant during Barbarossa and into early-mid 1942.) and M8's (they would be slaughtered).

However, we MIGHT be able to do a reasonable representation with a Panzer III Ausf. G against T-34's if we gave limited numbers of the Panzer IV F armed with the longer 75mm mixed in with the Panzer III's and the IV's with the short 75mm.

[SmokinLoon]

im pretty sure the KV-1 kicked the panzer 3's rectum hole, but i think the  T34/76 was an even match for it.

 

Again... DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! That issue is something that once you learn it you wont forget it!   

The Pzr IV F1 was NOT an even match against the T34/76mm.  It wasnt until the F2 that the T34/76 was put in its place.

[Tank-Ace]

Smokin, I think he meant the T-34/76 was an even match for the Panzer III (with long 50mm I assume he means, which it more or less was).

[lyric1]

Used it for the first time tonight in anger at a port. Shut port down porked it camped hanger killed 6 enemy tanks when the hanger popped & got the capture.

On the other side of the coin one popped over a hill at a v-base jumped in 17 pounder hit it at 800 yards nothing second round got it as he took out the 17 pounder?