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Offline Tordon22

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2011, 11:50:24 AM »
Accelerated course, eh?

What could possibly go wrong.

What you didn't pick up a good scan, procedures, trim technique, and all the info in two days?  :D :rofl

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2011, 11:53:48 AM »
You can prep for a written in an afternoon and with a few simple rules of thumb not even worry about the flight planning questions.

Written test results don't make a difference to a line of thunderstorms or a load of ice on your 172s unprotected wings.

DPEs still have their plan of action and give similar check rides with their favorite areas of emphasis. Of the candidate is strong on their bullet points then they'll not delve that deeply into every set of tasks in the PTS in order to complete the check. Send a couple students to an examiner and you learn their style in that regard. Send enough of them to get good at "accelerating" the training for the sake of passing the flight test and you're simply training them for a flight test. That's the nature of accelerated training.

I couldn't believe the lack of quality training being perpetuated at some of the quickie mart schools who advertise lots of multiengine time and preferential hiring agreements for their $40,000-60,000+ price tags. I had some issues back in the day when all the instructors were being sucked up into other jobs getting a local CFI to finish my instructor ratings. They were leaving in rapid succession and eventually the ones that were training initial CFIs and could sign them off were gone. I plunked down $7000 for a 2 week course to finish my CFI, CFII and MEI at a popular location. The training was a joke which revolved around their own test booklet which was itself developed from their "preferred DPEs" plans of action. In effect they gave the examiners this booklet who then used it as their checkride, question for question and nearly word for word. If you can answer the next question before you've finished the current one that's a problem. When I went to that class I had a full time flying job, had the highest time of the whole class at a whopping 800 hours and more actual instrument time than everyone else combined.  Hardly confidence inspiring at the quality of instructor they turned out.

Like making a copy of a copy, each subsequent one is less sharp than the original. So yeah, accelerated courses get you through a flight test but they don't give you any advantages of preparedness or experience in doing so. It's up to the individual to make the most of that training and playing the odds log enough to get the required  experience which will enable them to survive the times they scare the hell out of themselves.

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2011, 01:41:52 PM »
Switching from a "school" to do my CFI part 61 with an established and award winning instructor. The quality of training should increase exponentially. Or so I hope. Plus I get to experience some actual terrain and density alt. :)
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2011, 01:47:24 PM »
The term accelerated was used loosely - It's going to be about 3 weeks long with (give or take) 35 hours of flight. I've got 3.4 hours of actual right now with the same instructor.

I'm gonna head out tomorrow most likely - wx is supposed to be lousy in Lincoln on Monday.
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2011, 02:00:55 PM »
Nice, that'll be fun. I've got .5 actual! Woot. Most of it doing an NDA-A, interesting to say the least. Good luck dude. Hope the weather works out, I know the pain of sitting around waiting for it for weeks.

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2011, 07:12:12 PM »
You could always fly IFR in case you get lost....I Follow Roads lol  :headscratch:
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2011, 07:50:32 PM »
I'm actually leaving for Lincoln tomorrow, the weather is supposed to be rainy on Monday, so its gonna be a good day to start intstrument (But a bad day for a VFR pilot on a cross country)
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2011, 11:12:41 PM »
Tup

Just curious.. how do you balance your flight instruction with your regular school time?   I can't see you flying to Lincoln and back on the same day. 

Not that I know jack about being a real pilot I'm just curious. 

You should drag your tail to Alliance next weekend dude.
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2011, 11:20:38 PM »
I'm homeschooled, so as long as I have access to a computer I can do school.

I'm going to be staying in Lincoln for a couple weeks with my friend.
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2011, 11:32:03 PM »
 :aok

Gotcha younger brother

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2011, 08:23:33 AM »
Passing a checkride just means you passed a checkride.  Accelerating your training to focus on passing one examiners checkride doesn't a competent pilot make. Diploma mills across the country do this all the time and make a lot of money in the process.

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2011, 07:02:16 PM »
In Lincoln now. Stopped in Wichita and went for a glider ride with a friend.
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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2011, 07:04:19 PM »
I noticed spots on the stangs Tup...

I blame you

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2011, 08:54:55 PM »
You can prep for a written in an afternoon and with a few simple rules of thumb not even worry about the flight planning questions.

Written test results don't make a difference to a line of thunderstorms or a load of ice on your 172s unprotected wings.

DPEs still have their plan of action and give similar check rides with their favorite areas of emphasis. Of the candidate is strong on their bullet points then they'll not delve that deeply into every set of tasks in the PTS in order to complete the check. Send a couple students to an examiner and you learn their style in that regard. Send enough of them to get good at "accelerating" the training for the sake of passing the flight test and you're simply training them for a flight test. That's the nature of accelerated training.

I couldn't believe the lack of quality training being perpetuated at some of the quickie mart schools who advertise lots of multiengine time and preferential hiring agreements for their $40,000-60,000+ price tags. I had some issues back in the day when all the instructors were being sucked up into other jobs getting a local CFI to finish my instructor ratings. They were leaving in rapid succession and eventually the ones that were training initial CFIs and could sign them off were gone. I plunked down $7000 for a 2 week course to finish my CFI, CFII and MEI at a popular location. The training was a joke which revolved around their own test booklet which was itself developed from their "preferred DPEs" plans of action. In effect they gave the examiners this booklet who then used it as their checkride, question for question and nearly word for word. If you can answer the next question before you've finished the current one that's a problem. When I went to that class I had a full time flying job, had the highest time of the whole class at a whopping 800 hours and more actual instrument time than everyone else combined.  Hardly confidence inspiring at the quality of instructor they turned out.

Like making a copy of a copy, each subsequent one is less sharp than the original. So yeah, accelerated courses get you through a flight test but they don't give you any advantages of preparedness or experience in doing so. It's up to the individual to make the most of that training and playing the odds log enough to get the required  experience which will enable them to survive the times they scare the hell out of themselves.

Golfer
-Not a proponent of accelerated flight training.

Tupac,

I had 5 hours of hardcore short field landings today with a student when it was consistently 20 gusting to 30 today. Have a nice video of the guy smoking my left main and running us off the runway as well. I billed out $2,100 just today. That's without the damage.




Don't think for a second you will fly in severe HARD IFR with anyone until you prove to yourself that you won't kill them. I don't give a damn about the DPE and passing the exam. You don't know toejam until you have flown in multiple layers of toejam with someone as a mentor - not a minder to guide you through in 2 weeks. You don't get that level of expertise in 2 weeks. Ask Frenchy about IFR in his neck of the woods and how much ice they carry around on a daily basis.

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Re: Starting Instrument on Monday
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2011, 12:46:07 AM »
This isn't a cookie cutter accelerated course being taught to the checkride - It's being taught life or death. When its all said and done I should be a safe IR pilot.
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