See Rule #11

[alpini13]

See Rule #4

[Guppy35]

You do understand that folks are trying to help you out here right?  Instead you come across like a little kid not getting his way.  With the inability to use a paragraph or coherent sentence, all you are getting is folks figuring you don't have a clue.

[gyrene81]

i'm just being a butthead guppy... 

alpini i'm curious, how much 190 documentation have you found and translated? if you have anything that shows technical specifics it would be a good idea to show it in some manner, otherwise you're just blowing hot air.

[alpini13]

here is a link to 9 test documents and additional fw-190 a8 documents for your viewing pleasure.      http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a8.html

[Scherf]

I'm sure none of us has ever seen that site before.

[alpini13]

  and so you have seen the info supporting the notion of using the higher rated boost and why...additional documents are in the various 190 and 152 books that are out there.

[gyrene81]

here is a link to 9 test documents and additional fw-190 a8 documents for your viewing pleasure.      http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a8.html

sorry alpini, that link is old news and there is a lot more information available in other places. did you notice that it's all "test data" from flight trials and not actual production data? not to say it should be dismissed but key information is missing. i've got more complete production information in pdf format on my hard drive, in german.

i don't agree with the in game performance any more than you do but, if you do a search in the forums you will see this argument has come and gone repeatedly over the years. there has been no disclosure by htc as to exactly what specific data they used other than references to a pilots handbook, which if it's the same as the one's i found is missing a lot of technical information. until someone can find more complete data that shows the current flight model is inaccurate, (which is very time consuming and nearly impossible) anyone who says something is off is a luftwhiner. what would be needed to make a substantial argument is complete data on each production model from the first line to the last line. good luck finding something that extensive.

  and so you have seen the info supporting the notion of using the higher rated boost and why...additional documents are in the various 190 and 152 books that are out there.

being far from an expert, the time i've spent researching the 109s and 190s has shown me that what is modeled in ah is based on an extrapolation of data from early production models and, the information commonly found in books is from data on later production models. it turns into an apples to oranges comparison.

[STEELE]

All fw 190 a8 were cleared for 1.65 ata.  Our a8 only does 1.58 ata boost.   Is this just an oversight, and the programmers will use the info to fix, or has the a8 truly been hit by the

[Guppy35]

All fw 190 a8 were cleared for 1.65 ata.  Our a8 only does 1.58 ata boost.   Is this just an oversight, and the programmers will use the info to fix, or has the a8 truly been hit by the

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Problem is, then you get into the use of higher boosts in the Spitfires, which don't have that ability.  Then it's higher octane fuels etc.  It's a bit of a no win.

[Ardy123]

Problem is, then you get into the use of higher boosts in the Spitfires, which don't have that ability.  Then it's higher octane fuels etc.  It's a bit of a no win.

Not quite, the octane deal effects both Luft and allied rides. I believe the k4 with higher octane was able to achieve an even higher boost (I think 1.98 ata). So its not the same road.

[alpini13]

if you have more info ..for or against this thread...please post it, i am not a computer guy,i have lots of books with info that i can not post.....i can only post info from the net,or read the books and pass on the info.....the idea of raising the boost on the 190-a8...is...that is was actually done to production a/c and those in the field whereas the boost on the spit 14 say, was not widespread and although it may have been done in small quanity the info is sketchy as to whether they saw combat with the hight boost(+25 instead of +18)

[guncrasher]

  Thanks for all the support for changing the fw-190 a-8 we have in the game.  according to offical document for a fw-190 a-8 with 4 x 20mm and 2 x .50(13.1mm) with full feul load the official focke wulf documented weight is 4400KG...that is 9680 lbs...the same package in the game weighs  9675lbs...ABOUT THE SAME CORRECT WEIGHT.....the problem is the engine performance  we currently get up to 1.58 ata boost and it should be 1.65 ata boost according to official document for all fw-190 a-8 after july 1944. this would give better climb and lower alt perfomance...up to 20000ft.....there is however another fw 190 with better climb rate and speed,more amour and the same heavy gun package...made in quantity(about 900) made in series production,saw combat and had kills....the fw-190 A-9 with a weight of 4470KG(9834 lbs) with the same fuel load out and gun package as above. with more power it is faster than the a-8 and climbs better......the link to the info is on an earlier page in the previous 190 a-8 thread, and shows about 10 documents for the a-8. the documented weight and power loadout and performance documnet is in the new TA-152 development book that is currently out it shows info and performance for the 190 a-8, 190,a-9,190 d-9,190 d-12,ta-152 c and ta 152 h 

I am curious as what exactly is your wish.  since you dint mention it.


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[Debrody]

Still, there is something weird. Our a-8 is actually a lot slower than the a5, even with the small gun package, at every altitude except a small window between the deck and 3-4k. Also climbs worse, heck, never ever seen an a8 getting close to 4000 feet/min.

I dont know whats wrong, i dont have the information, but i dont think a 1944 bird should perform worse than its 1942 predecessor in every single role except the loadout choices.

[Shuffler]

 I am not here to win respect.......

[classsession]
You don't "win" respect. You earn it.

One of the common stipulations of earning respect is to show respect. [/classsession]

[gyrene81]

does anyone know what engine is modelled in the ah version of the 190-a8?

it looks like in july of 1944 the bmw 801-d2 (1705 max hp??) was replaced by the bmw 801-q/tu (modified 801-d2 1750 max hp???). also in july of 1944 all of the a8s were equipped with an "emergency power unit" which was designed to over ride the super-charger boost regulator. the epu increased boost pressure on take off from 1.42 ata to 1.58 ata at the low super-charger setting (+13.6mph) and emergency power from 1.42 ata to 1.65 ata at the high super-charger setting (+15.5mph). it had a maximum time of 10 minutes.

the gm1 system could replace the auxilliary fuel tank but it wasn't normal. use was dictated for operational altitudes above 26,250 ft and gave a speed increase of 36mph at climb and combat power. i don't suppose there is any way to make that an option in the hangar...or maybe something that could be enabled for special events.