SSD vs Hdd

[TequilaChaser]

going from  10 MB HDs  to 20 MB HDs  back on our 8088s  and 286s, we thought we were on top of cloud nine...............  was like jumping from a 300 baud rate to 900 or 1200 baud  modem

then I got me a 486 25 MHz DX man that was a blistering fast PC, running Fox Pro became so much easier er um well   excel came along........


MrRipley,  the link you provided above regarding making files save to a folder of choice, looks so similar to like allowing access to a server ( or  specific drives/folders  on a server )

yet I am still reluctant to store any files or even programs in the Users area or program files area nor do I use those "libraries"  in Windows 7, I install or save everything to its on folder on the C:\  root drive  or on my storage drive or on the different drives on the home server.......

using librarys or using the Users documents / downloads / music / video / pictures , you find yourself with junk all over the place and multiple links going to the same single file..... caan really trash a persons registry in my personal opinion....


TC

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If you are just figuring that out,....then you are sloooooowwwwwww.

 

touche

[MrRiplEy[H]]

going from  10 MB HDs  to 20 MB HDs  back on our 8088s  and 286s, we thought we were on top of cloud nine...............  was like jumping from a 300 baud rate to 900 or 1200 baud  modem

then I got me a 486 25 MHz DX man that was a blistering fast PC, running Fox Pro became so much easier er um well   excel came along........


MrRipley,  the link you provided above regarding making files save to a folder of choice, looks so similar to like allowing access to a server ( or  specific drives/folders  on a server )

yet I am still reluctant to store any files or even programs in the Users area or program files area nor do I use those "libraries"  in Windows 7, I install or save everything to its on folder on the C:\  root drive  or on my storage drive or on the different drives on the home server.......

using librarys or using the Users documents / downloads / music / video / pictures , you find yourself with junk all over the place and multiple links going to the same single file..... caan really trash a persons registry in my personal opinion....


TC

I think you're not familiar with the concept of symlinks.

[TequilaChaser]

I think you're not familiar with the concept of symlinks.

you would be correct, I am however starting to read up on the concept since your post regarding it yesterday

[Tigger29]

I just timed my computer this morning.. from power on to an open browser window was just under 45 seconds.  This includes typing my password in real quick.  Not too shabby for windows 7!

My first PC was a PS/2 that I bought used for $150.  I didn't even have a hard drive!
My first hard drive was a 20MB drive for that PS/2.
The first computer I built myself was a 386.  I remember buying a 380MB hard drive for it for $180 on clearance at Best Buy and that was the deal of the century!  Back then less than $1/MB was unheard of!

[Bizman]

I certainly would like to know what to do to get windows up in seconds. Does the counting start from pressing the button? Personal experience tells me that XP normally takes about a minute to the welcome screen, after that the it depends on automatically starting programs how long it takes to be able to use the computer. An average to get the processor idle is about 2 minutes.

I've tried Soluto to find out how long each program takes at startup, but it didn't give any solutions to shorten the time from pressing the button to desktop. I have about 30 processes running in the background, including antivirus, skype, messenger, java updater etc, many of which I shutdown before playing AH.

[Skuzzy]

My time was from the moment the boot process started.  From computer power on, to the desktop, is 7-8 seconds and ready to use (idle CPU).  My work computer is slower and takes about 14 to 18 seconds to be ready.

I do not bother listing what I do to my computers to them to perform like that as most of it is highly specific to the application at hand, from the hardware to the software.

[Bino]

I've been an avid reader of just about everything I can find about SSDs. I was so looking forward to avoiding the I/O bottleneck. Sadly, I must agree with the consensus here that SSD is a technology that is not ready for prime time.  As recently as August, the Anandtech web site featured the following as the very first line of a roundup on Sandforce SSDs, "It's a depressing time to be covering the consumer SSD market. Although performance is higher than it has ever been, we're still seeing far too many compatibility and reliability issues from all of the major players."

More detail here.

birthday is cpmong up and i plan on spoiling myself alittle. ive seen a lot of rigs with Ssd's for the os. my question is would it be of benefit to put my os on one as opposed to my hdd? also, any suggestions if it wpuld be of benefit.

[TequilaChaser]

I myself made it a specific point to stay away from any SSD's that utilized Sandforce, for the very reasons you listed Bino  "reliability &compatibility issues"

when rev 009 firmware update came out for my Crucial M4 SSD's....... it improved their performance to where the Crucial M4's just as fast as the "major Players" that use Sandforce drivers  (  it was a bit slower in some areas before Rev 009 was introduced, when using rev001  &/or  rev002 )
but the reliability & compatibility issues are minor............... nowhere near like what the Sandforce driven SSD's have experienced from day 1......

like you, Bino,
I too have been an avid reader / researching SSD's.............. to where I just basically read about the technology and read articles when they first hit the scene, but over the last 6 to 7 months I have really dug into everything I could find on them, once I made the decision that I wanted to give them a go and see how they performed.....  I then nade a post in this forum asking others thoughts......  like 7 months ago regarding using an OCZ 6.0 GB/s SATA III SSD  or opting for the PCIe SSD controller card ( OCZ RevoDrive X2 ??? I think it was )......... that was when I decided to not use any SSD that used Sandforce, because of the bad reviews and news articles........

after reading many different articles / reviews on SSDs & SSD Technology, I decided to go ahead and purchase/use the Crucial M4 series,

here is one of several Review Articles for the Crucial M4 series:
this below linked review is 13 pages long

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=720&Itemid=60

one of the things I really like about the Crucial M4s is the reliability of
MTBF = 1.2 Million Hours
Drive Endurance = 72 TB of data = 40 GBs a day for 5 years )

I am sure I do not really need these SSD's at this day in time, and I thought for a long time before even coming close to deciding about purchasing one

I positively sure could have used/ utilized them more so back when I was heavy into design work and calculating, energy audits , etc........ even more so using one in my work laptop  the battery power it would save along with nomoving parts for heat build up would count for alot on top of the SSD performance increase.......

in which you shouldn't look at the bandwidth as much as you should look at the IOPS, the IOPS is what will help with uing applications....... the bandwidth is more for how fast an app opens / starts up....


TC

[BoilerDown]

I too have started researching SSD drives so I'm reading threads about them here and elsewhere.  One thing I just saw was that OCZ is ditching Sandforce for a controller card built by a company they bought a while back, in their future products.  The first of which is due November 1st.

Anandtech story with this info:  http://www.anandtech.com/show/4995/oczs-octane-ssd-indilinx-everest-up-to-1tb-in-a-consumer-drive

[Krusty]

I have an OCZ Revo x2 100GB through a PCIe x16 slot, and I boot in about 18 seconds (after POST, which is somewhat slow on my PC and the BIOS has no option for quick boot) to being able to use the desktop.

But, keep in mind that 18 seconds is with some services still running, a few Win7 gadgets running, and I use this as a personal computer not just a "how fast can I tweak it" computer. The services/startup-aps are a balance between speed and preference. I could probably get it down to much less in safe mode, for example.

[Bino]

I have an OCZ Revo x2 100GB through a PCIe x16 slot...

Nice!  Those OCZ PCI-E drives look *very* tempting!  >drool<

Have you run into any compatibility "gotchas", or bugs in the firmware?

[Krusty]

Not a single one....

Only issue is that I could only afford the 100GB size, and that was WITH tax refund applied to the build


EVGA FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR
i7 960 LGA 1366 3.6GHz (stock, so far not overclocked at all)
3 sticks of 2GB Corsair tri-channel ram from a tri-chan package
XFX AMD HD6970 2GB
OCZ Revo x2 PCIe x16 slot SSD (100GB)
backup 1TB Samsung 7200rpm (storage and most games)
NZXT HALE90-750-M 750W modular PSU
NZXT Phantom (Red) with extra fans added to fill out the slots built in for cooling.

Win7 x64, it goes without saying

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Nice!  Those OCZ PCI-E drives look *very* tempting!  >drool<

Have you run into any compatibility "gotchas", or bugs in the firmware?

Check the hybrid model I linked, it will use the 100gb revodrive as cache and store the data to a 1Tb harddrive. This means that your most commonly used data will be loaded from the 100gb cache for speed and media files etc. junk that is mostly stored, stays in the hdd. But it's totally transparent to you, you don't have to do anything yourself.

[MaSonZ]

stay away from sandforce and look at a crucial m4 id i do buy one. tech teacher gave me a copy of Acronis to make an image of my machine. cani make an image of a sssd and save it to my hd uncase of crash so i dont lose everything on it and still usecmy machine? all i would haveon the ssd would be win7. also, pci-e or 6gb/s ssd? if those hybrids are brand new idk if i wanna risk myoney on them