109s and Flaps

[HighGTrn]

All you 109 experts out there...

So does the use of flaps make a difference when maneuvering in a knife fight? Do you guys use them and if so, how? Also, I've seen the 109 do some pretty crazy stuff with rudders as well, mostly to evade or create overshoot (scissors, rolling scissors, barrel roll defense ect..) If you can touch on that, I'd appreciate it.

Oh yeah, someone told me that at near stall speed, use of engine torque is a mainstay tool as well.. Is that true?

Enlighten me.

Thanks.

S1n1ster

[Ardy123]

yes, 109's flaps are necessary.
they add lots of drag, so pop them out when necessary, and pull them in when not. Also, they have 5 notches (I think) so pop out only enough to do what you need.

[JOACH1M]

Flaps and throttle work is key in 109's

[ACE]

109 flaps are as about as useless as a white crayon.

[Tank-Ace]

The BIG musts on the 109 are throttle, trim, and flaps. You can't pop them out at anything past 200mph to help with your instananeous turn, but they are really helpfull with sustained turns.

P.S., I don't know why, but for some reason, HTC chose to use the max deployment speed for the LANDING setting, or fully deployed, as the max deployment speed for the combat flaps. Same with removing the 30mm from the 109G-6, they just kind of came at us with that one out of the blue.

[Raphael]

I'm REALLY far from these aces posting here but I do use flaps a lot in the 109

[Big Rat]

The reason that 109's are so hard to master, is the sheer amount of throttle control you must use with one (especially as engine power went up).  The flap work is similiar to many other planes that have good useable flaps, the throttle work along with the flap work is what makes the 109 hard to fly at it's limits.  The F4U is a busier plane to fly correctly then the 109, but the 109 is a harder plane to fly at an equivelant level.  Stick time against a competent 109 guy that can teach, is the best way to learn it

 
BigRat 

[Tank-Ace]

And everything thats being said here is the same with the 190. Hard to master, very hands-on aircraft requiring lots of managment of the throttle, trim, and flaps, but VERY rewarding to learn.

[pervert]

Is what I am doing relevant to my opponent/situation? Thats all you need to know.

[TequilaChaser]

Is what I am doing relevant to my opponent/situation? Thats all you need to know.

I like that question!  it is a very important question

I am not sure why all the emphasis on trim being "very important"  for flying the 109

set trim for it's level flight  top crusie speed ( top speed )  and leave it there........

what I find the most cumbersome to deal with when flying the 109's ( or the LA series , etc... ) are those damn slates

I hate slates, and enjoyed the 109's and LA's  much more before HTC( aces High )  coded the slates into the game.......

I agree on Throttle work, flap work  is something everyone should practice ( also known as E management practice )


TC

[Owlblink]

I'm not an ace, but I've had a lot of time in the 109s and have learned much, thanks to pilots like Ardy123 and EAce, etc.
Personally I don't touch trim unless it's to deal with compression, just because my trims are set to anilog controls and they can be a real pain in the arsch to constantly fondle with.

The leading slats are both a curse and a blessing, once you get useto them it's not so bad.

Flaps and throttle control is key for the 109, for any plane really, but it speaks volumes for the 109. The most important tool for the 109, besides the engine torque, is it's rudder. Make good use of that rudder to slow down or cut inside turns and to hammerhead/tailslide at the top of a rope can make magic happen. When you're slow, you're rudder is going to help you in verticle siccors by cutting back down at the enemy when nessisary, and your torque will help you roll back over more quickly.

[grizz441]

If I want to turn as hard as I can and get inside and tight I will get them down as quick as I can.  If I am trying to conserve E and do not need the additional edge for turning, then I keep them up or just 1-2 notches.  It's just all feel once you realize what you are actually trying to accomplish with your flap deployments.

[Tank-Ace]

Trim is important (to me at anyrate) because you won't always be able to maintain your corner velocity. If you go over it, trim will keep you from feeling the effects of compression quite so much.

[JOACH1M]

Trim is important (to me at anyrate) because you won't always be able to maintain your corner velocity. If you go over it, trim will keep you from feeling the effects of compression quite so much.

Trim in my opinion is point less, unless your compression, I just let the auto trim setting do its thing.

[TequilaChaser]

Trim is important (to me at anyrate) because you won't always be able to maintain your corner velocity. If you go over it, trim will keep you from feeling the effects of compression quite so much.

did someone teach you this?  am curious as to your thinking this and your theory behind it???

TC