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Offline gyrene81

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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2011, 02:46:38 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on October 23, 2011, 02:35:56 PM
That is irrelevant.  That Germany may have known of the B-23 does not translate to a line fighter pilot memorizing an aircraft he has never seen.  It is still the much less likely cause of the text than a typo or mental hiccup.
it's not even close to irrelevant. pilots were given aircraft identification manuals to memorize and in many cases the manuals were wrong. in the field updates in the form of written descriptions, diagrams and sometimes photos were sent to squadrons from high command so the line pilots had the intel.
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 04:09:26 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on October 23, 2011, 02:46:38 PM
it's not even close to irrelevant. pilots were given aircraft identification manuals to memorize and in many cases the manuals were wrong. in the field updates in the form of written descriptions, diagrams and sometimes photos were sent to squadrons from high command so the line pilots had the intel.
Yes, but he probably isn't going to ID a A-20, DB-3 or B-25 as a B-23.  Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually correct and that is a simple typo or brian hiccup.
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2011, 05:00:05 PM »
It is simpler than you think - the Douglas DB-73 "Bank" was the export version of the B-25 that was delivered to the Russians. 
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2011, 06:44:42 PM »
Quote from: EagleDNY on October 23, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
It is simpler than you think - the Douglas DB-73 "Bank" was the export version of the B-25 that was delivered to the Russians. 





  Interesting,I was going to tell Scherf that the A20 was also known as DB-7 and now we have a Douglas DB-73 to add to the confussion. Scherf any mention of the tail configuration?  That might help sove the mystery.


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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2011, 06:47:13 PM »
Quote from: EagleDNY on October 23, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
It is simpler than you think - the Douglas DB-73 "Bank" was the export version of the B-25 that was delivered to the Russians. 

Well, since the B-25 was manufactured by North American and not Douglas, you are wrong, sir.   :headscratch:
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2011, 06:50:15 PM »
I think I may have cracked it. Tracked down my man on the Tony Woods lists - found the night in question, he did indeed put in three claims near Tilsit, for TB-3s!

Must be a "march of time" issue - remembered differently for some reason. The contemporary records say it wasn't US-built aircraft at all....

Many thanks for the help gents, sorry for any trouble caused / time consumed.
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 06:52:47 PM »
Quote from: Scherf on October 23, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
I think I may have cracked it. Tracked down my man on the Tony Woods lists - found the night in question, he did indeed put in three claims near Tilsit, for TB-3s!

Must be a "march of time" issue - remembered differently for some reason. The contemporary records say it wasn't US-built aircraft at all....

Many thanks for the help gents, sorry for any trouble caused / time consumed.

 :huh  :confused:  :uhoh  TB-3s!???!?





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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 08:02:25 PM »
Quote from: eddiek on October 23, 2011, 06:47:13 PM
Well, since the B-25 was manufactured by North American and not Douglas, you are wrong, sir.   :headscratch:

Found it here:
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/Encyclopedia/Entry2058.aspx

Note the picture of B-25s with russian markings and the title "Douglas DB-73 Bank".  Maybe Douglas got a contract to build the export version of the B-25??  It isn't unprecedented for one aircraft maker to do production runs on anothers design. 
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 08:02:34 PM »
Bah. DB-3s.

Actually, 2 DB-3s and a PS-84, whatever that is.
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2011, 08:03:51 PM »
Wow, that TB-3 is so cool looking!  It's almost like a steam punk aircraft.
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2011, 09:56:13 PM »
Quote from: Brooke on October 24, 2011, 08:03:51 PM
Wow, that TB-3 is so cool looking!  It's almost like a steam punk aircraft.


Can we have that instead of the Meteor?

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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2011, 02:38:22 AM »
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2011, 05:16:08 PM »
Quote from: Scherf on October 24, 2011, 08:02:34 PM
Bah. DB-3s.

Actually, 2 DB-3s and a PS-84, whatever that is.

Ooooh, ooh... close to finding the answer to all your questions, you are.

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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2011, 09:53:11 AM »
Quote from: EagleDNY on October 24, 2011, 08:02:25 PM
Found it here:
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/Encyclopedia/Entry2058.aspx

Note the picture of B-25s with russian markings and the title "Douglas DB-73 Bank".  Maybe Douglas got a contract to build the export version of the B-25??  It isn't unprecedented for one aircraft maker to do production runs on anothers design. 
i dont know if that site knows anything about the B-25 even in their literature they state "the Douglas  DB-73 was an export version of the DOUGLAS B-25 Mitchell. To my knowledge Douglas never made the B-25 even under contract  :headscratch:
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Re: US twin-engine buffs in Russki-land, mid-44?
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2011, 08:02:33 PM »
Quote from: MAINER on November 02, 2011, 09:53:11 AM
i dont know if that site knows anything about the B-25 even in their literature they state "the Douglas  DB-73 was an export version of the DOUGLAS B-25 Mitchell. To my knowledge Douglas never made the B-25 even under contract  :headscratch:

You are right - that other site is full of it on the DB-73 ---  however, I did find a translation at lend-lease.ru on the B-25 in russian service:
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/akvilyanov/index.htm

It seems we did export the B-25 to the Russians. 

There IS a DB-73 reference as well, but it is for a french designation for the DB-7B (Boston) made to French Specs:
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_douglas_DB-7_France.html
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