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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2011, 05:39:34 PM »
to put it in perspective the RN SSBNs can carry about 200 warheads (although in practice its nearer 50 iirc), which is roughly as effective as ~2,000 bombers ...
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2011, 06:05:45 PM »
As of the time of the article Russia had 11,000 total warheads to the US having 8,500.
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclearweapons/nukestatus.html

Whoops.. My bad.. Even still, its way more than enough was my point


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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2011, 06:19:09 PM »
But aren't ICBMs easier to intercept than Say, a stealth bomber?

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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2011, 06:26:40 PM »
I would say the same way Britain Stoped v1s, v2s in ww2. By upping a fighter which they continuely have on standby for such an occasion, and intercept the ICBM, causing it to somehow detonate safely in the atmosphere.

Thats just my guess, at-least.

They never could stop V2s.
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2011, 06:36:00 PM »
Its a serious question, due to me not really researching the difference between nuking a target through bomber transport, and nuking through ICBMs.  :rolleyes:


And by my comment, im thinking that ICBMs would be immediately picked up upon radar from launch,and the country they are launched on would have time to react to stop them.

While a stealth bomber may be able to get closer to its target and drop its payload simply because of its low Radar signature. And the fact that the country wouldn't know of the payload simply from observation of the aircraft/radar signature.

I may be wrong, but like i said, ive done maybe 2% of research on what im asking.

First of the earth is not flat so you can't detect an ICBM launching immediately with radar.  Most early-warning satellites have a infrared sensor facing towards the earth either using a either a dedicated satellite like Lockheed Martin's Space-Based Infrared System (SBIRS) which is being developed since the 90s and is billions of dollars over budget (like all Lockheed Martin Projects(which I hate to say as much as I like Kelly Johnson)).  Sometimes it is a hosted payload ,meaning on a commercial telecommunications satellite of some kind sharing the ride up and the cost, sensor which is much cheaper and just as effective like Orbital Science's CHIRP program which also uses an infrared sensor.

Tyrannis I put down those specific examples so you could research them if you choose.
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2011, 06:36:30 PM »
ALTB

On Feb. 11, 2010, Boeing, industry teammates and the U.S. Missile Defense Agency successfully demonstrated the speed, precision and breakthrough potential of directed-energy weapons when the Airborne Laser Test Bed engaged and destroyed a boosting ballistic missile.


http://www.mda.mil/news/gallery_altb.html
http://www.mda.mil/news/news.html
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2011, 06:37:12 PM »
Some one knock some sense into tyrannis please.

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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2011, 06:42:22 PM »
ALTB

On Feb. 11, 2010, Boeing, industry teammates and the U.S. Missile Defense Agency successfully demonstrated the speed, precision and breakthrough potential of directed-energy weapons when the Airborne Laser Test Bed engaged and destroyed a boosting ballistic missile.


http://www.mda.mil/news/gallery_altb.html
http://www.mda.mil/news/news.html

Lol unfortunatley that only works if you have them loitering within range of an ICBM launch area, the program hopes to get 300km of range out of it so not very far, and you have enough airframes to do so which we will never have.  The missile interceptors are the best bet for countering ICBMs in their boost and glide phases.  The patriot missile actually has some capability for taking out ICBMS becuase they relatively recently upgraded software for it.
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2011, 06:57:59 PM »
im thinking that ICBMs would be immediately picked up upon radar from launch,and the country they are launched on would have time to react to stop them.

While a stealth bomber may be able to get closer to its target and drop its payload simply because of its low Radar signature. And the fact that the country wouldn't know of the payload simply from observation of the aircraft/radar signature.

I may be wrong, but like i said, ive done maybe 2% of research on what im asking.

No. Radar does not pick up an ICBM launch.. a satellite does. And that satellite has to be actively watching specific areas to catch the launch. Why do you think the US and USSR had a space program to begin with? The spy satellites were the only thing that could provide early warning.

ICBMs go up, exit the atmosphere, then ballistic towards target. About 3/4ths of the way in, they release their MIRV payloads (Multiple-Independent-Re.entry-vehicles) which are literally a half dozen or a dozen nuclear warheads with a guidance mechanism. These warheads re-enter the atmosphere heading to their particular targets.

On the radar screen you would see one blip become dozens spreading out. Given an ICBM would never be launched alone but in clusters so that it completely overwhelms any reaction/defenses...you get the idea.

Its extremely difficult to shoot down an ICBM because you'd have to intercept it on its way up. This happens over the territory of the nation that launches it. Thats why the US put so much stuff in alaska and eastern europe. On the way down its too late; youd have to intercept dozens of warheads per ICBM.

A bomber oth, has to fly inside the atmosphere at slow speeds (compared to the mach5+ an ICBM rocket flies at) and deliver its relatively small payload very close to target. That you can detect and intercept (or heck, the soviets even had defenses that consisted of detonating small nukes in mid atmosphere along the flight path of bombers to knock them down).

Stealth bombers arent invisible and undetectable. They are very expensive and very few. You cant saturate an enemy with it.


If you're thinking a surgical nuke strike... well, the current stealth bombers, submarine/ship launched tomahawks (there's nuke tipped ones) can do that too.


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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2011, 07:07:38 PM »
Lol unfortunatley that only works if you have them loitering within range of an ICBM launch area, the program hopes to get 300km of range out of it so not very far, and you have enough airframes to do so which we will never have.  The missile interceptors are the best bet for countering ICBMs in their boost and glide phases.  The patriot missile actually has some capability for taking out ICBMS becuase they relatively recently upgraded software for it.

If you bothered to read the news link I provided you would see that it is not just air born.  :aok


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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2011, 07:19:39 PM »
They never could stop V2s.

     Sure they could, just overrun the launch bases  :D
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2011, 07:23:00 PM »
Won't you guys need that for when China invades?
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2011, 07:27:22 PM »
Ty,

I agree with everybody above but one thing you need to think about was in a Clancy novel.  (paraphrasing) If I'm standing 10 ft away from you and have a 9mm pointed at your chest and I agree to take half of the bullets out before I start shooting you're still dead right?   

Dismantling outdated nukes looks good in the papers but is fundamentally nothing to get excited about.   
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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2011, 07:47:48 PM »
The Russians deployed the 53T6 Gazelle ABM system back in the '80s. It was based on the U.S. cancelled Sprint system and armed with a 10 kiloton nuclear warhead to destroy ICMB reentry vehicles as they entered the stratosphere. Useless against a massive nuclear exchange, but effective against a small scale "rogue launch" or limited attack from a small country. They're currently developing the S-500 theater defense missile system to replace the aging Gazelle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK6W0OATveQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anpTiQMpOcY

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Re: US's most powerful nuclear bomb being dismantled
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2011, 08:33:33 PM »
The Russians deployed the 53T6 Gazelle ABM system back in the '80s. It was based on the U.S. cancelled Sprint system and armed with a 10 kiloton nuclear warhead to destroy ICMB reentry vehicles as they entered the stratosphere. Useless against a massive nuclear exchange, but effective against a small scale "rogue launch" or limited attack from a small country. They're currently developing the S-500 theater defense missile system to replace the aging Gazelle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK6W0OATveQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anpTiQMpOcY



An early picture of the Gazelle in use....


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