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Offline nrshida

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2011, 02:11:03 PM »
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2011, 02:39:08 PM »
To others...

Regarding the BK 3.7...

It was indeed found in testing that it caused adverse effects to the flying qualities of the Hs129. But as can be seen it was fitted to the aircraft instead of "never used".

Anyway, advantages the Hs129 would offer compared to the Il-2 for example:

- Two air cooled engines instead of single liquid cooled one.

- Centerline main weapon (MK103) with 100 rounds. No convergence issues, ie. nice for opening up against flaks from longer ranges. Better accuracy, less ammo wasted.

- 20mm cannons for dealing with softer targets such as LVTs, M18s, M3s and aircraft...no need to waste precious main gun ammo for those.

- Counter rotating props eliminate many of the slipping/nose swaying problems of a single engined aircraft such as the Il-2 and make for a very good gun platform. Also it gives a better low speed aileron authority compared to the Il-2.


Btw, I quickly looked for the ignore feature and couldn't find it. Does the BBS still feature it?
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2011, 04:16:30 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on October 27, 2011, 02:39:08 PM
To others...

Regarding the BK 3.7...

It was indeed found in testing that it caused adverse effects to the flying qualities of the Hs129. But as can be seen it was fitted to the aircraft instead of "never used".


So the argument for inclusion of this weapon load out is it was fitted, tested, and found unsatisfactory?

Isn't that like asking for the Super Pershing with the 90mm T15E1. One was produced and saw combat....


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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2011, 04:17:48 PM »
BK-37 isn't really needed for the Hs-129. The Mk 103 30mm would probably be effective enough to take out panzers and T-34's.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2011, 05:09:32 PM »
Quote from: AWwrgwy on October 27, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
So the argument for inclusion of this weapon load out is it was fitted, tested, and found unsatisfactory?

Isn't that like asking for the Super Pershing with the 90mm T15E1. One was produced and saw combat....


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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2011, 09:04:41 PM »
Quote from: AWwrgwy on October 27, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
So the argument for inclusion of this weapon load out is it was fitted, tested, and found unsatisfactory?

Isn't that like asking for the Super Pershing with the 90mm T15E1. One was produced and saw combat....


wrongway


[Edit #2: comment edited.... Now you know how he is. It's self evident without me adding to it.]


EDIT: In my defense, I'm sure almost any adult American has heard the term "to mock up a prototype" or something similar in the business field, or at work, or even with whatever hobby they have. It definitely does not mean to fake it.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2011, 05:47:28 AM »
Quote from: Krusty on October 27, 2011, 09:04:41 PM

[Edit #2: comment edited.... Now you know how he is. It's self evident without me adding to it.]


EDIT: In my defense, I'm sure almost any adult American has heard the term "to mock up a prototype" or something similar in the business field, or at work, or even with whatever hobby they have. It definitely does not mean to fake it.

There is a HUGE difference between a mock up and prototype. I suggest a dictionary.

A mock up would be a life size scale model. It would may or may not be built with materials designed for production.  If it were a car it would be used to wind tunnel test, test ergonomics, ensure parts fit properly.

A prototype is built after the mock up stage here is the key diff. It operates under its own power with the intended propulsion system and production materials.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2011, 07:06:18 AM »
Quote from: Wmaker on October 27, 2011, 02:39:08 PM

- Centerline main weapon (MK103) with 100 rounds. No convergence issues, ie. nice for opening up against flaks from longer ranges. Better accuracy, less ammo wasted.

- Counter rotating props eliminate many of the slipping/nose swaying problems of a single engined aircraft such as the Il-2 and make for a very good gun platform. Also it gives a better low speed aileron authority compared to the Il-2.


I think it sounds very interesting, especially the above two points. I might take up ground attack if it gets added.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2011, 09:17:38 AM »
Mock-up


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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2011, 09:25:58 AM »
Looks like a very heavily armoured cockpit.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2011, 09:52:32 AM »
Quote from: Megalodon on October 28, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
Real In the Air
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Actually that in-flight photo is with the wooden mock-u aswell.
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2011, 12:00:29 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on October 27, 2011, 04:17:48 PM
BK-37 isn't really needed for the Hs-129. The Mk 103 30mm would probably be effective enough to take out panzers and T-34's.

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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2011, 01:03:26 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2011, 01:10:25 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Henschel Hs 129
« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2011, 01:11:38 PM »
I ask is a prototype the same as mock up?

I await your response.
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