Final Round of the plane vote

[Krusty]

After taking a closer look at this picture, it would appear that that Me-410 has a 3 bladed prop.  But wasn't the 410 that had the 50mm gun a 4 bladed prop or am I just thinking of the high alt version in general?

No Me410 ever had 4 blades. There was a prototype or two (Me310?) that did, but this was never a production model.


Icepac: I'm familiar with the quality of it. It's "nice" but not perfect. It's also very arbitrary and community-created... So the one from AAA gives the 410B MW50 and 50km/h boost for no reason (just because), and the one from UP/SAS has standard DB601A's. The mk213 cannon loadouts are 100% fictitious, the 3x WGR21 loadouts are 100% ficticious, the Mk108 loadouts are 100% inaccurate....

So while it's "nice" it's also highly subjective and overall I wouldn't trust it as a representation of the AH 410 for the above reasons and one other major reason:

The IL2 servers are nothing at all like AH's arenas. The player interactions, the mission profiles, the action in general. None of it is even comparable. Even when you compare IL2 servers using the same types of setups as your common late-war furball, you won't find similar action between the two.

Where a 410 might have little benefit in the strict layout of an IL2 modded server, in the free-form AH LWA, it definitely would.

[icepac]

None of what I referenced is in IL2

[CAP1]

allright!

which one now?

General characteristics

YAK 3
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 Length: 8.5 m (27 ft 10 in)
 Wingspan: 9.2 m (30 ft 2 in)
 Height: 2.39 m (7 ft 11 in)
 Wing area: 14.85 m² (159.8 ft²)
 Empty weight: 2,105 kg (4,640 lb)
 Loaded weight: 2,692 kg (5,864 lb)
 Powerplant: 1 × Klimov VK-105PF-2 V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 970 kW (1,300 hp)
 
Performance
 Maximum speed: 655 km/h (407 mph)
 Range: 650 km (405 miles)
 Service ceiling: 10,700 m (35,000 ft)
 Rate of climb: 18.5 m/s (3,645 ft/min)
 Wing loading: 181 kg/m² (36.7 lb/ft²)
 Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
 
Armament

 Guns:
 1 × 20 mm ShVAK cannon,
 2 × 12.7 mm Berezin UBS machine guns

or

ME 410

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General characteristics
 Crew: 2 (pilot and gunner)
 Length: 12.56 m (41.2 ft)
 Wingspan: 16.34 m (53.6 ft 7 in)
 Height: 3.7 m (12,14 ft)
 Wing area: 36.20 m² (390 ft²)
 Empty weight: 6,627 kg (14,597 lb)
 Max takeoff weight: 11,244 kg (24,766 lb)
 Powerplant: 2 × Daimler-Benz DB 603A liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,750 PS (1,726 hp, 1,287 kW) each
 
Performance
 Maximum speed: 624 km/h (388 mph)
 Range: 2,300 km (1,400 mi) combat
 Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
 
Armament

 Guns:
 2 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine guns with 1,000 rpg, firing forward
 4 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannons with 350 rpg, firing forward
 2 × 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine guns with 500 rpg, each firing rearward from FDSL 131/1B remote-operated turret, one per side
 
Bombs: up to 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) of disposable stores

 based on armament alone,the 410 will win.

 personally, i'd have liked to see something japanese, or anything to fill gaps in earlier time periods.

[icepac]

I'd love to see the KI44.

[BSB]

I too would love to have seen the KI-44 introduced to AH.  To bad it was eliminated during the voting in the forums.   Although I think that the fact it was present on the current list was a big leap forward to having it in game.

[Simon]

Ditto on the "Tojo". We had the IIc model in FA with 4x 20mm cannons until it was neutered for gameplay reasons and we ended up with mgs. We also had the Ki44 with the 37mm, but it was (obviously) slower and less maneuverable. If I recall, the Ki-44IIc was one of Bruv's (or Takeshis_Castle, IIRC... lol) specialties back in the day.

[icepac]

It would probably be nice with the 4x12.7 HO103 or with the 2x40 loadouts and just forget the 4x20mm loadout.

[Volron]

No Me410 ever had 4 blades. There was a prototype or two (Me310?) that did, but this was never a production model.

I honestly thought I read that in another thread, which is why I brought it up.  Meh, me imagining things.

I am curious as to how they will code the defensive guns.

[gyrene81]

I am curious as to how they will code the defensive guns.

probably about like the gun turrets on the b-29...but no left/right traverse, just up and down.

[Krusty]

The guns went out left and right as well as up and down on the Me410.

[gyrene81]

The guns went out left and right as well as up and down on the Me410.

didn't realize there was a lateral movement...guessing it was same on the 210?

[Krusty]

The 410 was going to be renamed the 210E I believe (before renaming it to avoid a stigma), so yes same as the 210.


Captain's Log, Supplemental:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/%3CFA%3EJaws/a1weaponsangles.jpg

It's rather large so I'll link to it instead of embedding. 40 degrees out each side, 47 degrees down, and 80 degrees up.

[Karnak]

Ditto on the "Tojo". We had the IIc model in FA with 4x 20mm cannons until it was neutered for gameplay reasons and we ended up with mgs. We also had the Ki44 with the 37mm, but it was (obviously) slower and less maneuverable. If I recall, the Ki-44IIc was one of Bruv's (or Takeshis_Castle, IIRC... lol) specialties back in the day.

Ki-44 never had 20mms.  Ki-44-I was armed with two 7.7mm guns and two 12.7mm guns, Ki-44-II was armed with four 12.7mm guns, or in a limited number of cases two 12.7mm guns and two 40mm recoilless rifles.  Ki-44-III would have had four 20mm cannons, but I am unaware of that aircraft actually being produced.

[Krusty]

Be careful Karnak... that's a good way to pick up ankle humpers... You know, setting folks straight, and all.

[Bruv119]

Ki-44 never had 20mms.  Ki-44-I was armed with two 7.7mm guns and two 12.7mm guns, Ki-44-II was armed with four 12.7mm guns, or in a limited number of cases two 12.7mm guns and two 40mm recoilless rifles.  Ki-44-III would have had four 20mm cannons, but I am unaware of that aircraft actually being produced.

I think they were catering for the large JP community with the 20mm's that hit like bricks.   After a campaign of whinage they took them off and replaced with the four 12.7mms and made it a little more agile. 

I remember that name simon,  If I was bored I would use it in arcade FFA.