Ready for P-47 Upgrade!

[4Prop]

P-47D-15 would be Late-War I think.  P-47D-11 just barely squeaks into Mid-War as I recall.

well I obviously dont know what years we have for EW,MW,and LW.

[Seadog36]

4Prop~

EW: Sept 1939 - Sept 1941
MW: Sept 1941 - Sept 1943
LW: Sept 1943 - Sept 1945

[Karnak]

4Prop~

EW: Sept 1939 - Sept 1941
MW: Sept 1941 - Sept 1943
LW: Sept 1943 - Sept 1945

No, Early War goes at least until July, 1942 (Spitfire Mk IX) and Mid-War goes until at least December, 1943 (P-51B).

EW: Sept 1939 - July 1942
MW: Aug 1942 - Dec 1943
LW: Jan 1944 - Sept 1945

[Debrody]

No, Early War goes at least until July, 1942 (Spitfire Mk IX) and Mid-War goes until at least December, 1943 (P-51B).

EW: Sept 1939 - July 1942
MW: Aug 1942 - Dec 1943
LW: Jan 1944 - Sept 1945

That cant be accurate. The 109 G-2 was in production in 1942 May, and it is disabled in the EW arena, if i can remember correctly. //or i smell a luftwhine

[4Prop]

hmm..who to beleive. well thanks to all 3 (I'll include you to Debrody. dont wanna leave you out) its good enough to give me a good idea of what dates each arena is. 

[Karnak]

That cant be accurate. The 109 G-2 was in production in 1942 May, and it is disabled in the EW arena, if i can remember correctly. //or i smell a luftwhine

When did the Bf109G-2 enter service?  That is the date that matters, not production.  If it was in service in July, 1942 (the month the Spitfire Mk IX entered service) then it too should be enabled in Early War, no question.

The date that counts might be the date it saw combat, not entered service.  I don't recall and I don't feel certain I recall if the Spit IX entered service in July, 1942 or saw combat for the first time in July, 1942, or both.

[Lusche]

When did the Bf109G-2 enter service?  That is the date that matters, not production.  If it was in service in July, 1942 (the month the Spitfire Mk IX entered service) then it too should be enabled in Early War, no question.

The date that counts might be the date it saw combat, not entered service.  I don't recall and I don't feel certain I recall if the Spit IX entered service in July, 1942 or saw combat for the first time in July, 1942, or both.

G-2 entered service in June 42 with JG 2, AFAIK first loss in July 42.

[Karnak]

G-2 entered service in June 42 with JG 2, AFAIK first loss in July 42.

Then it should be enabled in the EW arena.  I don't use the EW arena so I don't know if it would need to be perked.  I assume the Spitfire Mk IX is perked there.

[Lusche]

Then it should be enabled in the EW arena.  I don't use the EW arena so I don't know if it would need to be perked.  I assume the Spitfire Mk IX is perked there.

Yes, the IX is perked.
But the G-2 wasn't missed there for years, the 190A-5 was filling the perked German fighter role.. and the 109 F-4 had been quite capable vs the occasional IX. But then I don't really care much anymore about the Hurricane II arena

[JUGgler]

The D25 and my sweet lovely "N"JUG is all that is required, the rest are just window dressing!

Ofcourse the "N" stands for NAUGHTY   




JUGgler

[Nathan60]

Considering the large holes in the Japanese and Italian plane sets, I think we have enough p-47s for now.
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I also  would like  to flesh out  Japenese, italian and russian  planesets before  seeing more US/British/German  added. Also,  geting  some other AC  from   samller countries would be nice I think someone actually listed a few in a thread awhile back

[B-17]

Like the CANADIAN Hurricane with skis/floats, and 12x.303s

[Seadog36]

Oh EW smackdown!

Karnak, where did you get your dates for EW,MW & LW, words like "should" and "at least" make it sound pretty subjective. What is your source?

[Karnak]

Oh EW smackdown!

Karnak, where did you get your dates for EW,MW & LW, words like "should" and "at least" make it sound pretty subjective. What is your source?

The service entry dates for the aircraft that are in the arenas.  The Spitfire Mk IX entered active service in July, 1942, therefor the EWA has to cover at least through July 1942.  The P-51B entered active service in December, 1943, therefor the MWA has to cover at least through December, 1943.  The Mosquito Mk XVI entered active service in very early January, 1944 and is LWA only, therefore MWA does not cover January 1944 at all.


EDIT:

The fact that there are any US aircraft, other than the P-40C, in the EWA tells us that the EWA's coverage cannot end in September 1941.

[Seadog36]

While I appreciate your attempts at an explanation Karnak, you clearly don't have a black and white source for your dates, just more flawed conjecture...

The F6F-5 did not appear in combat until April 2nd 1944 and the FW 190A-8 did not enter production until February 1944, let alone see combat~ Clearly late war aircraft u perked in MW.

If I wanted to twist your logic, MW then extends though April 1944 which should encompass the Mosquito XVI and for that matter the later universal wing equipped P-47s and I am sure there are many examples of fuzziness in EW,MW and LW aircraft assignments as well.

The first D-25 bubble canopy were in service in by 1944, clearly a contemporary of the F6F-5 and FWA-8.

Just one bona fide citation from HTC would settle the question~