ICONS

[jimson]

Remember the AvA setups where the japanee mid-war was spanking every faster US plane?

That's still happening today with icons:

AXIS   ALLIES
287   243
  
  
A6M3            7
A6M5b   137
B-25C   4
B5N2           4
D3A1            2
F4U-1A   166
G4M1 Betty      5
Ki-61            132
P-38G   59
P-39D   14

A large part of the Allied kills especially Corsairs, were bombers.

[seano]

No-icons stems from an elitist (egotistic?) movement from the Ubisoft IL2 communities, where they think they are superior to others who use icons. Not only is this a false assumption that they cloak/disguise under the premise that they're just being more realistic, it's not comparable to AH in any way shape or form.

It is a FACT you can see a crapload better than any computer system in existence. Flying without icons is akin to flying while legally blind. You wouldn't be allowed in the cockpit let alone to go off to combat.

Further, the entire situation we have is a many-v-many situation. You're not going to have staged pre-set 3 v 3 like you might see in ubisoft's online servers, where 2 opposing flights engage each other from different pre-set front lines and predetermined directions. We can fly any nation's plane on any of the teams we have. Icons are an absolute necessity because of these facts. Even IF you could ID the planes visually (P.S. You can't...) you couldn't tell who's on your side vs the other side.

It's a nonsense request, and has been thoroughly reduced to such every time it's brought u

Hitech himself (game creator) said it's not going to happen.


Please, everyone, stop requesting "no icons" for AH!


for years and years we have been asking for a b-29. hitech always said no. then a month after i change names and lose 3k bomber perks, SUPRISE!! now we have the mighty superfortress

[Lusche]

for years and years we have been asking for a b-29. hitech always said no

Hitech has never ever said no to the B-29, nor did any other HTC offical.

[seano]

for years weve been asking for a b29. then 1 month after i change names,and lose 3k bomber perkies, we get the b-29.



ok hitech, how about if we turn off our own icons, then our icon disapears to the enemy. maybe have a setting in the menu kinda like tracers and stall limiter. something you can only turn off and on in the tower. sounds fair to me and no dis apearing icons while chasing someone in flight.

[seano]

Hitech has never ever said no to the B-29, nor did any other HTC offical.

 well all the grown adult children here anyways!

[CAP1]

for years weve been asking for a b29. then 1 month after i change names,and lose 3k bomber perkies, we get the b-29.



ok hitech, how about if we turn off our own icons, then our icon disapears to the enemy. maybe have a setting in the menu kinda like tracers and stall limiter. something you can only turn off and on in the tower. sounds fair to me and no dis apearing icons while chasing someone in flight.

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 i kinda like that idea.....but it would create sooooo many cheat whines.

[jimson]

The upside for some is simply that they like the way the game looks with no icons. For them the icons are an immersion killer. Also they find it a bit more thrilling and enjoy trying to ID enemy by plane shape and color etc. I know at least two real life pilots who prefer the no icons game and think it looks more realistic.

It's not a matter of who is right and who is wrong. It is just which type of realism parameter each would prefer to sacrifice.

The only real solution would be for the game to render shapes larger at longer distances. We don't have that, so we have icons.

[waystin2]

ok hitech, how about if we turn off our own icons, then our icon disapears to the enemy. maybe have a setting in the menu kinda like tracers and stall limiter. something you can only turn off and on in the tower. sounds fair to me and no dis apearing icons while chasing someone in flight.

Big NOPE.

[The Fugitive]

for years weve been asking for a b29. then 1 month after i change names,and lose 3k bomber perkies, we get the b-29.



ok hitech, how about if we turn off our own icons, then our icon disapears to the enemy. maybe have a setting in the menu kinda like tracers and stall limiter. something you can only turn off and on in the tower. sounds fair to me and no dis apearing icons while chasing someone in flight.

Do you know how many people would quit this game if the icons were removed? Seeing as this is a "money making" venture for HTC and not a "hobby" I'm thinking they won't be turning the icons off any time soon.

[guncrasher]

I flew in the ava one time for squad night.  I couldnt tell the airplanes from the shadows at low altitude so I ended up just shooting at anything with an airplane shape till I ran out of ammo and oh yeah i got no kills.  I was at about 3 to 400 yards based on the size of the shape.  I never went back when there were no icons.  If they remove the icons I would quit as i really would see no point of diving into shadows.


semp

[CAP1]

The upside for some is simply that they like the way the game looks with no icons. For them the icons are an immersion killer. Also they find it a bit more thrilling and enjoy trying to ID enemy by plane shape and color etc. I know at least two real life pilots who prefer the no icons game and think it looks more realistic.

It's not a matter of who is right and who is wrong. It is just which type of realism parameter each would prefer to sacrifice.

The only real solution would be for the game to render shapes larger at longer distances. We don't have that, so we have icons.

 make that three real life pilots. i haven't flown anything high performance though.

 do you remember those stories i wrote, one of which is on the ava website? THOSE are from the immersion factor. those fights were exhilarating. they still would have been even had i lost.
 i can't get that "feeling" with icons.

[CAP1]

I flew in the ava one time for squad night.  I couldnt tell the airplanes from the shadows at low altitude so I ended up just shooting at anything with an airplane shape till I ran out of ammo and oh yeah i got no kills.  I was at about 3 to 400 yards based on the size of the shape.  I never went back when there were no icons.  If they remove the icons I would quit as i really would see no point of diving into shadows.


semp

 i was fighting in there once. over the river. wanna guess who was "shadow chasing"?  he's probably our best most famous map maker, and one helluva cool guy.

[Wmaker]

No icons isn't realistic but neither are icons. It's just what form of non realisticness you prefer.

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Boils down to personal preference.

Largely agreed.





Having these knee-jerk reactions against one side of the argument or the other is stupid. No single right answer exists really.

Having type, distance and IFF given to you from 6.0k out with a huge neon plagard is not any more or less realistic than not having icons. Both are solutions to the same problem but are in the opposite ends of the spectrum of practically infinite amount of solutions. Personally I'd like to see something which would be a level headed compromise between the two.

[Wmaker]

IDing aircraft based on color, configuration (high wing, low, prop, tail, etc) is done every day up to 10 miles. That's 6K. Gee... Kind of like our default icon range?

If you are using this pompous tone of yours, at least try and get your math and unit conversions correct. Otherwise your posts will get pretty priceless as far as the entertainment value is concerned, again.

[guncrasher]

Largely agreed.





Having these knee-jerk reactions against one side of the argument or the other is stupid. No single right answer exists really.

Having type, distance and IFF given to you from 6.0k out with a huge neon plagard is not any more or less realistic than not having icons. Both are solutions to the same problem but are in the opposite ends of the spectrum of practically infinite amount of solutions. Personally I'd like to see something which would be a level headed compromise between the two.

so the answer would be to not have a neon sign,  perhaps the fluorescent type is more to your liking?  there's no infinite number of solutions, it's either you have one or you dont.  only reason for having icons at 6k is to make it easier to iff.  me personally wouldnt want to chase every single dot i see only to find out that it is a friendly.  the 6k icon encourages fights, or for some run from it .

and by the way there is no solution as we dont really have a problem  .


semp