Waterboarding

[SmokinLoon]

Not sure I'd go that far.

If you do some research into the major sponsors for their programming, you'd see that they certainly have a dog in the American political fight.

 

Not quite true blue... but still not where a PUBLIC broadcasting station needs to be (gray).

[Lusche]

All the advocates of Communists I ever knew never lived in a Communist society

Many of those I knew actually did  

But then, no one was more enthusiastic about the paradise called "GDR" than this 20 year old girl I recently met. Who was born well after that state disintegrated, but told me to shut my mouth because I as a "Wessi" couldn't know anything about it  

Ah, to be that young, naive and innocent again 

[guncrasher]

I came here to the us after the police caught me and accused me of something I had to idea what they were talking about.  I was waterboarded and many names of people that had done nothing wrong came out.  I am pretty sure they got the same treatment.

but of course the people that we are doing it to wont say anything just to make it stop, right?  we dont waterboard people, we torture people.  that's the truth.

semp

[Melvin]

I came here to the us after the police caught me and accused me of something I had to idea what they were talking about.  I was waterboarded and many names of people that had done nothing wrong came out.  I am pretty sure they got the same treatment.

but of course the people that we are doing it to wont say anything just to make it stop, right?  we dont waterboard people, we torture people.  that's the truth.

semp

Where and when exactly were you "tortured" and by whom?

[guncrasher]

Where and when exactly were you "tortured" and by whom?

and I am gonna tell you because?  but if you are really interested in understanding what it does, wont take you long to do a little research and find others who have been tortured this way.   it's not something you do to others and at the end say "see it didnt hurt or damage you" shake hands then go on on your merry way.


semp

[68ZooM]

Where and when exactly were you "tortured" and by whom?

Melvin go lay on your back with your head tilted down, place a towel over your head have a friend slowly pour water over it for hours on end then come back and tell us what you think.  this is not a smartarse responce to your post but just go try it, i did and it's no fun at all, you get that feeling of drowning without being in water.

[zack1234]

Many of those I knew actually did  

But then, no one was more enthusiastic about the paradise called "GDR" than this 20 year old girl I recently met. Who was born well after that state disintegrated, but told me to shut my mouth because I as a "Wessi" couldn't know anything about it  

Ah, to be that young, naive and innocent again 

English Communists are not usually poor 

As long as i am in charge i don't mind 

Lusche you can be Minister without Portfolio if you like
Dolby wants to be in charge of distribution of Germany's gold reserves if that is alright?, he needs to go to Thailand in a Spa

[Melvin]

Melvin go lay on your back with your head tilted down, place a towel over your head have a friend slowly pour water over it for hours on end then come back and tell us what you think.  this is not a smartarse responce to your post but just go try it, i did and it's no fun at all, you get that feeling of drowning without being in water.

Yeah, I'm sure it's not fun.

Then again, it was never intended to be fun. Was it?

I just figured that since Semp has had it done to him, he could clue us all in on the what's and why's of waterboarding.

I guess he doesn't want to talk about it though. Other than a vague story, that is.

[guncrasher]

Yeah, I'm sure it's not fun.

Then again, it was never intended to be fun. Was it?

I just figured that since Semp has had it done to him, he could clue us all in on the what's and why's of waterboarding.

I guess he doesn't want to talk about it though. Other than a vague story, that is.

pm me your phone number, i'll be more than gladly call you and tell you everything you want to know.


semp

[Melvin]

pm me your phone number, i'll be more than gladly call you and tell you everything you want to know.


semp

Well, um gee Semp, I'm not sure I feel comfortable sending my personal info to someone that was waterboarded by the police.

For all I know, you are some crazed psycho that is going to steal my I.D. so that you can access my Moshi Monsters account.

Surely you had no idea what was going on. (And surely all the inmates in Stateville are innocent too.)

I've got a better idea. Why don't you just P.M. me the story here?

Of course, you could have just said you were against waterboarding instead of publicly declaring that you were a victim of the practice.

You see, once someone makes claims like this, the vetting process begins.

[guncrasher]

Well, um gee Semp, I'm not sure I feel comfortable sending my personal info to someone that was waterboarded by the police.

For all I know, you are some crazed psycho that is going to steal my I.D. so that you can access my Moshi Monsters account.

Surely you had no idea what was going on. (And surely all the inmates in Stateville are innocent too.)

I've got a better idea. Why don't you just P.M. me the story here?

Of course, you could have just said you were against waterboarding instead of publicly declaring that you were a victim of the practice.

You see, once someone makes claims like this, the vetting process begins.

first of all there is no vetting process here.  second I am not gonna post something for everybody to see as it is nobody's business except for whom I choose to tell or how much i tell.  all i say is based on personal experience it is fricking torture.   so if you want me to tell you my story then I'll talk to you in person or on the phone.  it's your call, literally.

but I tell you this since you question my integrity and my sanity.  I have visited a couple of pigs in their homes, they have my address, i have their phone numbers, i have sold and bought a couple of things from the forums.  I have spoken to several other players on the phone and some have visited me.  not one of them question my sanity or my integrity as I am not a criminal because I have always chosen not to be.


semp

[68ZooM]

first of all there is no vetting process here.  second I am not gonna post something for everybody to see as it is nobody's business except for whom I choose to tell or how much i tell.  all i say is based on personal experience it is fricking torture.   so if you want me to tell you my story then I'll talk to you in person or on the phone.  it's your call, literally.

but I tell you this since you question my integrity and my sanity.  I have visited a couple of pigs in their homes, they have my address, i have their phone numbers, i have sold and bought a couple of things from the forums.  I have spoken to several other players on the phone and some have visited me.  not one of them question my sanity or my integrity as I am not a criminal because I have always chosen not to be.


semp

Straight up Semp Semps one guy i would talk to about anything he's a hella squaddie and friend

[Melvin]

I am not gonna post something for everybody to see as it is nobody's business except for whom I choose to tell or how much i tell. 

You brought it up Semp. Nobody else, just you.

 so if you want me to tell you my story then I'll talk to you in person or on the phone.  it's your call, literally.

Like I said, you are more than welcome to P.M. me. I have no reason to give you my home phone number and I'm not sure why you insist on having it.


Look, I simply started this thread because I was watching music videos one night and came across some pictures of waterboarding happening during Vietnam. It was my intent to show others that this is nothing new.

Inevitably people posted their displeasure at the practice. To each his own, I guess.

Personally I have no problem with it if it's used to glean information from someone that would do harm to myself or any other American (including you). Considering the other types of torture that are practiced by various nations, I'd consider waterboarding to be at the low end of the scale.

No Semp, I can't imagine that it would be fun at all. Of course I reckon it's a darn sight better than being beaten within an inch of life, having bones broken, being subjected to the jumper cables, finger and toenails pulled out, skinned alive, etc, etc.

Perhaps it's ineffective and perhaps you were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I'm not going to cry out for the practice to end because maybe, just maybe, some people deserve some discomfort. You know, the kind of people that would kill us all in a heartbeat.

[skorpion]

Look, I simply started this thread because I was watching music videos one night and came across some pictures of waterboarding happening during Vietnam. It was my intent to show others that this is nothing new.

Just a small question here...

If its nothing new, then why did you have to share it exactly? We all know that water boarding happens, some more personally than others.

[Melvin]

Just a small question here...

If its nothing new, then why did you have to share it exactly? We all know that water boarding happens, some more personally than others.

On the first page you said you found it interesting too.

Pick a side of the argument and get on it, or get out of the way junior.