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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2011, 04:30:55 PM »
Question:

If the Sea Hurricane could carry rockets, why did that ability never migrate over to land-based hurri's?

The russians where using them also it looks like they modified some to have a rear gunner  :huh






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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2011, 04:32:17 PM »
looks like 2x .303s for aiming maybe?
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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2011, 04:45:52 PM »
From http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Hawker_Hurricane

Sea Hurricane Mk IA
The Sea Hurricane Mk IA was a Hurricane Mk I modified by General Aircraft LimitedGeneral Aircraft LimitedGeneral Aircraft Limited was a British aircraft manufacturer from its formation in 1931 to amalgamation with Blackburn Aircraft in 1949 to become Blackburn and General...
. These conversions numbered approximately 250 aircraft. They were modified to be carried by CAM shipCAM shipCAM ships were World War II-era British merchant ships used in convoys as an emergency stop-gap until sufficient escort carriers became available. "CAM" was an acronym for "Catapult Aircraft Merchantman". A CAM ship was equipped with a rocket-propelled catapult launching a single Hawker Sea...
s (catapultAircraft catapultAn aircraft catapult is a device used to launch aircraft from ships—in particular aircraft carriers—as a form of assisted take off. It consists of a track built into the flight deck, below which is a large piston or shuttle that is attached through the track to the nose gear of the aircraft, or in...
 armed merchantmanCargo shipA cargo ship or freighter is any sort of ship or vessel that carries cargo, goods, and materials from one port to another. Thousands of cargo carriers ply the world's seas and oceans each year; they handle the bulk of international trade...
), whose crews were entirely civilians and whose Hurricanes were crewed and serviced by RAF personnel, or Fighter Catapult Ships, which were Naval Auxiliary Vessels crewed by Naval personnel whose aircraft were operate by the Fleet Air Arm. These were cargo ships equipped with a catapult for launching an aircraft, but without facilities to recover them. Thus, if the aircraft were not in range of a land base, pilots were forced to bail out or to ditch.
Both of these options had their problems - there was always a chance of striking part of the fuselage when bailing out and a number of pilots had been killed in this way. On the other hand, ditching the Hurricane was problematic too. The radiator housing acted as a water brake, pitching the nose of the fighter downwards when it hit the water, while also acting as very efficient scoop, helping to flood the inside of the Hurricane so that a quick exit was advisable before the plane sank. Then the pilot had to be picked up by the ship. In all, more than eighty modifications were needed to convert a Hurricane into a Sea Hurricane, including new radios to conform with those used by the Fleet Air Arm and new instrumentation to read in knots rather than miles per hour. They were informally known as "Hurricats".
The majority of the aircraft modified had suffered wear-and-tear from serving with front line squadrons, so much so that at least one example used during trials broke up under the stress of a catapult launching. A total of 50 aircraft were converted from Hurricane Mk Is. CAM launched Hurricanes were used on 8 operational sorties and the Hurricanes shot down 6 enemy aircraft, for the loss of only one Hurricane pilot killed. The first Sea Hurricane IA kill was an FW 200C CondorFocke-Wulf Fw 200The Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor was a German all-metal four-engine monoplane that entered service as an airliner. Later versions for the Luftwaffe were used as long-range reconnaissance and anti-shipping/maritime patrol bomber aircraft as well as transport planes for troops and VIPs.-Design and...
, shot down on 2 August 1941.


Sea Hurricane Mk IB
Hurricane Mk I version equipped with catapult spools plus an arrester hook. From July 1941 they operated from HMS FuriousHMS Furious (47)HMS Furious was a modified cruiser built for the Royal Navy during the First World War. Designed to support the Baltic Project championed by the First Sea Lord of the Admiralty, Lord John Fisher, they were very lightly armoured and armed with only a few heavy guns. Furious was modified while under...
 and from October 1941, they were used on Merchant aircraft carrierMerchant aircraft carrierMerchant aircraft carriers were bulk cargo ships with minimal aircraft handling facilities, used during World War II by Britain and the Netherlands as an interim measure to supplement British and United States-built escort carriers in providing an anti-submarine function for convoys...
 (MAC ships), which were large cargo vessels with a flight deck enabling aircraft to be launched and recovered. A total of 340 aircraft were converted. The first Sea Hurricane IB kill occurred on July 31, 1941, when Sea Hurricanes of 880 squadron, operating from HMS Furious shot down a Do 18 flying-boat.


Sea Hurricane Mk IC
Hurricane Mk I version equipped with catapult spools, an arrester hook and the four-cannon wing. From February 1942, 400 aircraft were converted. The Sea Hurricane IC used during Operation PedestalOperation PedestalOperation Pedestal was a British operation to get desperately needed supplies to the island of Malta in August 1942, during the Second World War. Malta was the base from which surface ships, submarines and aircraft attacked Axis convoys carrying essential supplies to the Italian and German armies...
had their Merlin III engines modified to accept 16 lb boost, and could generate more than 1400 hp at low altitude. Lt. R. J. Cork was credited with 5 kills while flying a Sea Hurricane IC during Operation Pedestal.


Sea Hurricane Mk IIC
Hurricane Mk IIC version equipped with naval radio gear; 400 aircraft were converted and used on fleet carriers. The Merlin XX engine on the Sea Hurricane generated 1460 hp at 6,250 ft and 1435 hp at 11,000 ft. Top speed was 322 mph at 13,500ft and 342 mph at 22,000 ft.



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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2011, 12:15:48 AM »
http://www.historicaircraftcollection.ltd.uk/hurricane/

This is being restored; I also have a reference book that has never been proven wrong:

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A Hurricane XII of the Royal Canadian (that's me!!) Air Force, made by Canadian Car and Foundry, with US-supplied Hamilton propellor-- without spinner-- driven by a Merlin 29. Armament was 12 machine guns

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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2011, 12:38:05 AM »
And just to keep up with the 'times', here's another quote/website

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Hurricane Mk XII
Canadian-built variant. Single-seat fighter and fighter-bomber. Powered by a 1,300 hp (969 kW) Packard Merlin 29. Initially armed with 12 0.303 in (7.7 mm) machine guns, but this was later changed to four 20 mm (.79 in) cannon.

From...http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hurricane

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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2011, 07:04:55 PM »
Question:

If the Sea Hurricane could carry rockets, why did that ability never migrate over to land-based hurri's?

The Mk IV did, but with cannon removed.  That's where the photo of the CVE based Sea Hurri has me wondering.  Performance was an issue with that much weight.  As it was being used as a sub hunter there wasn't a threat from German fighters so performance would be less of a concern.  The Hurri IVs with rockets used in the Balkans still faced the possibility of air opposition.

I'd love to know more about that CVE bird.
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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #66 on: November 26, 2011, 07:05:47 PM »
12 .50?????  :O


I don't believe you....

12 .303s not 50s.
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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2011, 08:57:31 PM »
12 .303s not 50s.

I thought the .303 was the British equivalent of the .50 cal...?

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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2011, 09:02:29 PM »
I thought the .303 was the British equivalent of the .50 cal...?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... .50 is a much bigger and harder hitting round.

I think the british .303 round is more equivalent to the  American .30 cal round.

12 .50 cals would be some serious firepower on just one platform.

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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2011, 09:21:04 PM »
12 .303s not 50s.


Ok, just making sure. I had figured that it's was 12 .303's, but hey Canadians are crazy.  :x

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Re: more Royal Navy
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2011, 03:55:17 AM »
I thought the .303 was the British equivalent of the .50 cal...?
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