Seriously?

[james]

People pay 15 a month to have fun. They dont pay 15 a month to make it easy for you to kill them in the game. Taking p 51's or LA's or spit's is simply what players choose to use. To play this game like a run and gun first person shooter is fun to some, to rearm or end a sortie minus a kill is fun to others. It's not like it's a simulator. The arm chair historians ruin it alot as for what the game can be in the LW arena, but that's for another discussion. Enjoy it for what it is and try not to get wrapped up in the drama. Have a rum with your squadmates during a few runs. Above all, CHEERS!

[Zoney]

But not in my book

+1


How many times have I attacked and then been jumped by a formidable foe(s), doing everything I can to survive, seeing my aircraft picked apart, engine oiled, pilot wounded, minimum control left from rapid part removable trying to make it home for a safe landing, calling on range for some help, not giving up EVER and then to have wheels touch down and end flight just as your blacking out again, maybe for the last time, and then ending mission without any kills at all.

That is fun, and technically I fought "not to lose".

Maybe I just don't understand what Juggler meant.

[flatiron1]

i am as serious as a heart attack.

[Lusche]

What do you think? Of course what I said isn't an absolute, I wouldn't think that I lost if I left the fight PW'd by ack or something

Now that's a difference, and had you written that in your first post (which was very much absolute)  it would have had a different tone to it


But to elaborate my personal stance: Getting shot down is losing. Getting kills is winning, and so is getting home as well as "having fun" which means having a good fight. Flying a wasted sortie without any enemy contact is losing, too. Sometimes there is a mission goal that doesn't even need a kill, if i made those bombers miss the CV or protected a goon - that's a win too. (Of course getting kills in the process is much more fun)

All these small wins and losses add up. Most people have many of those, it's just different how they are weighted for them.  For myself, getting home is very important, damage or not, kills or not. Getting shot down with two kills is much worse for me than getting home with none. Maybe that's a remnant of a juvenile "pretending to be a fighter pilot" that makes me cherish my virtual life, even though they are unlimited.

If I had to categorize myself: I'm much more a killer than a fighter. (There are many like out there like me, but few do admit  )

So that may also have answered this
"

Why do so many play "not to lose"?

Because it's my fun.

And now I'm off to shoot down some low, overloaded buffs or afk Jabo's  

[Zoney]

Snailman


"(There are many like out there like me, but few do admit)"

I do admit this as you have just described how I play.

[JUGgler]

+1


How many times have I attacked and then been jumped by a formidable foe(s), doing everything I can to survive, seeing my aircraft picked apart, engine oiled, pilot wounded, minimum control left from rapid part removable trying to make it home for a safe landing, calling on range for some help, not giving up EVER and then to have wheels touch down and end flight just as your blacking out again, maybe for the last time, and then ending mission without any kills at all.

That is fun, and technically I fought "not to lose".

Maybe I just don't understand what Juggler meant.

Well this example I would say is "fighting to win". Hence surviving such an engagement is clearly a victory.

or if you had started the fight and were timid and realized you were out of your league and waited or as is used so often "extended" with no intention of risking a ping to win, untill you have help than I'd say you had played "not to lose" <-- this example is common place these days and not only from noobs

The proof is here, If I were to fly a twit16 or any spit for that matter, or even a 109 I would find few who would fully commit to fight me to the end. Now if I fly "as I do so often" a less capable ride in a far less advantages (on the deck) postion such as a JU88, 110, jug, Boston, A20, 38 etc, etc then all of a sudden the same "play not to lose folks" are full of confidence and 'play to win". There is something to most folks that the thought of time in the tower stings so much it shows in their style, now don't get me wrong I do not think anyone should throw away their cartoon life without effort to win but cmon look around while in the game, it gets quite comical, boring and predictable all the time, sad really!

I say when I fly into a gaggle of 4-5 cons, the 4-5 cons should fully engage me, sadly maybe 1-2 will the others will go to the top of the key and do no more than make me avoid them while turn fighting the others!  those at the top of the key "play not to lose"  Bah such is humanity! take take take, offer little in return!


JUGgler

[Lusche]

There is something to most folks that the thought of time in the tower stings so much it shows in their style, now don't get me wrong I do not think anyone should throw away their cartoon life without effort to win but cmon look around while in the game, it gets quite comical, boring and predictable all the time, sad really!

Please see the following not as a direct reply to you personally, your statement just brought up a thought in me:

Anything can and will become boring and predictable in most games at some point. If everybody would fly and fight according to the "furballers dream" (I'm deliberately exaggerating) , being honorable, brave and only in the game for the "fight" - then I would be bored to tears pretty quick. In fact I have, that's pretty much the thing that quickly burned me out on WW1.
In my opinion, the MA  is still the least predictable and least boring place in AH. That doesn't mean it's entirely unpredictable, the patterns are clearly visible and everybody staying around for a while will arrive at the point of "been here done that". But still there is much more variation than in other arenas. You never really know what to expect, you just know the probability your next enemy will simply try to ho you is very high

But I think I strayed away from Baldies original topic. Sorry about that 

[JUGgler]

Please see the following not as a direct reply to you personally, your statement just brought up a thought in me:

Anything can and will become boring and predictable in most games at some point. If everybody would fly and fight according to the "furballers dream" (I'm deliberately exaggerating) , being honorable, brave and only in the game for the "fight" - then I would be bored to tears pretty quick. In fact I have, that's pretty much the thing that quickly burned me out on WW1.
In my opinion, the MA  is still the least predictable and least boring place in AH. That doesn't mean it's entirely unpredictable, the patterns are clearly visible and everybody staying around for a while will arrive at the point of "been here done that". But still there is much more variation than in other arenas. You never really know what to expect, you just know the probability your next enemy will simply try to ho you is very high

But I think I strayed away from Baldies original topic. Sorry about that 

I agree, it is predictably unpredictable in its predictability   


I think I could easily predict my 1st encounter upon my return in a few days
 the odds of me being correct I suspect would be quite high!


JUGgler

[Tyrannis]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,324230.0.html
 

[JUGgler]

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,324230.0.html
 

No-one is asking for 1v1. I would just like to see the majority of folks I engage or who engage me to "play to win". In other words if it's 1v10 it would be nice to be fighting more than 2 while avoiding B&Z from the other 8   How about the 8 fight and 2 B&Z?





JUGgler

[uptown]

I agree, it is predictably unpredictable in its predictability    

  

anyhooo, I play any and every game to win in a honest and fair manner. But a few years ago I had a hard time accepting that I'll never be a top shelf player. No matter how hard I tried or how many hours I logged, i would never be able to reach Skyrockdom or beat Akak in a 1 vs 1. And that not everyone on the internet was going to like or admire me for my online capabilities. Once that sunk into my thick skull I started to just enjoy the game in the pure sense in the word.   
Regrettably I've lost a few good friends in the game over the years trying to figure that out. Now, my main goal is to be as respectful as possible to the next guy no manner what his skill level is and just enjoy the simple fact that I can sit down and play a game such as this in my spare time. That's what I'm serious about these days. 

[W7LPNRICK]

I think taking this game serious as in its game mechanics and its future is alright, since we're investing money into it.

But i think its stupid how people overreact to the way others play and try to police the game to make people play how THEY want them too.

Agreed unless it involves outright cheating.   

[Sunka]

Why do so many take this GAME so seriously?

Do you take it too seriously?

Game??? Well this puts a whole new light on things for me then.

[ink]

I do take it as a serious game.....I very much enjoy fighting and dying to the hoard.....I have learned that no matter what though there are people who really care about there cartoon life....to me that's just lame game play.


I used to fly straight to the biggest red dar attack as many as I can...now I am a bit smarter or at least try to be...so I grab some ALT and then fly to the biggest red dar, make them earn that kill, but then they still dont "earn" it.

when I jump 5 cons and they ALL hit the deck and run to the ACK I wonder whats the point

[Tyrannis]

I do take it as a serious game.....I very much enjoy fighting and dying to the hoard.....I have learned that no matter what though there are people who really care about there cartoon life....to me that's just lame game play.


I used to fly straight to the biggest red dar attack as many as I can...now I am a bit smarter or at least try to be...so I grab some ALT and then fly to the biggest red dar, make them earn that kill, but then they still dont "earn" it.

when I jump 5 cons and they ALL hit the deck and run to the ACK I wonder whats the point

If i saw a guy like you with an axe diving on me i'd hit the deck too.